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# 1 Draguas Cruiser
07-21-2011, 02:49 AM
The Draguas is a Gorn Cruiser that I think could be added to the playable ship list rather easily i think. While I dont know what goes into making a ship playable I do know there no rights to iron out with this ship because its already an in game npc. Lets face it the KDF needs a better ship selection and this could be a nice ship to add to the line up.A teir 5 Draguas would be perfect for the KDF when we only have 3 tier 5 cruisers to choose from.Wasnt the Gorn, Orion, and Nasusicaan absorbed into the Klingon Empire so it makes sence that we could have this ship.

http://www.stowiki.org/Draguas_Cruiser

so Dan can you look into it please
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# 2
07-21-2011, 03:57 AM
As someone who has played his Gorn character since day one, I agree with this! In fact I would love to see all the NPC Klingon faction ships (the Gorn, the Orions, the Nausicanns,etc...) get added to the ship progression of the Klingon side. This is really something that needs to be added in Season 5!
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# 3
07-21-2011, 04:03 AM
We do know that for some reason the NPC ships are set up differently so they'd need to be converted so they can be used as a player ship.
Since we have no "mix and match" on certain ships anyway, like the K't'inga, I don't see why the NPC ships of the KDF allies cannot be converted in a way similar to how the Klingon T3 battlecruisers are set up.
It probably boils down to the sam reason why the K't'inag still has no aft Phton launcher on its model or why noone has acknoledged the fact that the K't'inga model's glow maps have been broken for about half a year

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=224570

it's not worth bothering.
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# 4
07-21-2011, 06:17 AM
If I'm remembering what one of the Devs said correctly, then the NPC ships have a much lower polygon count, and lower rez textures. The amount of work needed to bring them up to the quality of other player ships is around the same as making the model and textures from scratch, hence why this hasn't been done.

Hopefully once the sale of Cryptic has been completed and CapnLogan has been given the permission and funds to create that slave army of modelers he's always wanted, then maybe we'll start to see the ship designs of the other races start mixing in to the tiers

Heck, the KDF needs both a bunch more ships and a bunch of ships that can't cloak. Will make the cloak on Klingon ships a little more special, especially if they get that OPvP territory control system worked out
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# 5
07-21-2011, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkphenoix
If I'm remembering what one of the Devs said correctly, then the NPC ships have a much lower polygon count, and lower rez textures. The amount of work needed to bring them up to the quality of other player ships is around the same as making the model and textures from scratch, hence why this hasn't been done.

Hopefully once the sale of Cryptic has been completed and CapnLogan has been given the permission and funds to create that slave army of modelers he's always wanted, then maybe we'll start to see the ship designs of the other races start mixing in to the tiers

Heck, the KDF needs both a bunch more ships and a bunch of ships that can't cloak. Will make the cloak on Klingon ships a little more special, especially if they get that OPvP territory control system worked out
I'm still not convinced that the level of detail is entirely the problem.
I've also got some screenshots that clearly show that the details are so good it could easily pass as a player ship:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7...0080215512.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8...0080215522.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2...080216042i.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7...0080216042.jpg

so it seems there is something else preventing them from including them into the player fleet, perhaps some problems with the conversion process...
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# 6
07-21-2011, 07:35 AM
the Draguas Cruiser would make an excellent tier 3 cruiser, and the Vishap Frigate should be a tier 2 cruisers. the larger gorn Zilant Battleship could be tier 4, and there already is a tier 5 gorn ship. personally i think they should switch the gorn and orian ships in terms of what they specialize in, orians seem more crafty and gorn seem more brute force. the gorn should have had the cruiser wile the orians the science ship
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# 7
07-21-2011, 08:12 AM
I had a list some where buried in time and the KDF forums now that had all the potential NPC ships for the KDF faction...
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# 8
07-21-2011, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Varrangian View Post
I had a list some where buried in time and the KDF forums now that had all the potential NPC ships for the KDF faction...
Yes making the NPC ship payable would be very nice but one has to start somewhere....and ya I think its better to ask for a single ship from the devs instead of a hole list,

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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
the Draguas Cruiser would make an excellent tier 3 cruiser, and the Vishap Frigate should be a tier 2 cruisers. the larger gorn Zilant Battleship could be tier 4, and there already is a tier 5 gorn ship. personally i think they should switch the gorn and orian ships in terms of what they specialize in, orians seem more crafty and gorn seem more brute force. the gorn should have had the cruiser wile the orians the science ship
I thought about asking for the Zilant Battleship as a playable teir 5 but I didnt want to ask for something as big as a carrier because then the FEDS might call fowl and the devs would have to think about that before ever making the ship playable plus how do we know that ship is not slated to be a teir 6. No i wanted a ship that no one would obect to them adding which is why I asked for a teir 5 Draguas Cruiser.

Also lets face it if they did make the ship a teir 3 then it would hardly get used I know I wouldnt want to buy a ship off the c-store just to use it for 10 grades of rank and no one else would either.


While not trying to offend FED players devs you guys are playing favorites with the FED ships they keep getting new ones but the KDF has not seen a single new ship which is why a Teir 5 Draguas Cruiser could add a much needed new ship to choose from.
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# 9
07-21-2011, 04:09 PM
It seems obvious to make the Gorn, Orion, etc NPC ships playable, but they say it will be difficult to do. Something about those ships lacking an internal framework to attach weapons and consoles to, or something. And the models are made with lower-quality textures than player ships.

Those reasons don't make much sense to me, but what do I know.
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# 10
07-21-2011, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
the Draguas Cruiser would make an excellent tier 3 cruiser, and the Vishap Frigate should be a tier 2 cruisers. the larger gorn Zilant Battleship could be tier 4, and there already is a tier 5 gorn ship.
I like the idea of integrating NPC ships into the KDF by distributing them across the lower tiers, this would definitely give players something to look forward to as they level.
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