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# 21
07-11-2011, 02:41 PM
Isn't there at least some difference to being assimilated than being captured though? Being captured requires the Klingon to either submit or be incapacitated. If he submits, then he has surrendered, and he loses honor. If he is incapacitated, and he recovers and then either doesn't go down fighting while trying to escape, there is loss of honor.

Someone that is assimilated doesn't get those options. Klingons wouldn't say, "okay, you got me, sign me up for the drone thing." We've seen many examples of people being assimilated in mid-fight. The Borg find a vulnerable spot, inject you with nanoprobes, and you are part of the collective, and not in control of your actions. An assimilated Klingon wouldn't even have the option of going out fighting.

I think assimilation and liberation would be a quandry for Klingons. I don't think it'd be so cut and dried for everyone. An assimilated Klingon likely got that way in the heat of battle. As we saw in at least one instance from Voyager, when that Klingon was liberated, he took the fight to the Borg.
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# 22
07-11-2011, 02:45 PM
who knows how a klingon would actually feel, but as they have no choice in the matter once a drone they may not see it as a dishonour once freed.

whether another klingon would go to the trouble of freeing them would be another matter. i doubt they would make the effort and just kill them as a drone.
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# 23
07-11-2011, 03:30 PM
http://www.startrekonline.com/factions

Click on Borg and read the KDF side, that will answear alot of these questions
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# 24
07-11-2011, 03:58 PM
I suppose that being assimilated is for the Klingons the same as being captured. The assimilated Klingon is gone, he is no longer fighting for honor and Borg have no honor.
No Klingon would free an assimilated Klingon, but maybe they would accept a Klingon escaping from the Borg.
Damage the parts connecting a Drone to the Hive, and the drone is free again. An klingon drone, wich got damaged and starts to fight the Borg maybe could collect enough honor to live on after the battle.

Klingon thad got captuered lose their honor, but killing the prison guards is fore sure a good way to get their honor back.


I would prefer Assimilated Orion, because Orion are not intrested in honor but the Syndicate cares for its Members, maybe even enough to free them from the Borg.
Orion would say: thx for the upgrades Borg and now we sell all freed non Orion-Drones on the slave market :p
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# 25
07-11-2011, 04:21 PM
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Klingon Honor is such a wonderfully situational thing that I'm sure "honor" can be found in whatever turns out to be the most expedient course.
Exactly. Because nothing screams "HONOR" as much as attacking your enemy from stealth rather than attacking them head on does..

Klingon 'honor' already leaves a looooooot to be desired and has so many loopholes already, one more loophole with the Liberated Borg situation hardly seems excessive at this point.
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# 26
07-11-2011, 07:33 PM
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Click on Borg and read the KDF side, that will answear alot of these questions
I'm not sure that really answered the issue presented here. The Borg have no honor, but it doesn't say anything about the Klingons that emerge from assimilation or whether the Klingon would liberate a Borg.

I don't think it can be said that there is a hard fast rule here. The Klingons may choose to liberate a Borg if it suited them. The Klingons have an honor system, and they are warriors, but that isn't all that they are. If liberating a Borg furthered the ends of the Empire, why wouldn't they do it? They may not choose to try an liberate every Borg, or make it a goal to liberate assimilated the Borg like some in the Federation, but it might be worth their while to liberate a Borg here and there.
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# 27
07-11-2011, 08:05 PM
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if you are knocked unconsious and then captured it's a dishonor (sourced from birthright) that is not choosing not to die fighting
Yeah, but once you woke up, you would still have the choice. So if, as you assert, being knocked unconscious is the same as being assimilated according to the Klingon definition of honor, then the only way for the assimilated warrior to be "woken up" and be presented with the choice of whether to continue to fight is to liberate them from the collective, at which point they are no longer prisoners.
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# 28
07-12-2011, 12:53 AM
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Click on Borg and read the KDF side, that will answear alot of these questions
HMM, "The Borg are a Plague"
in that case there is nothing wrong with liberating someone I'd say.
Klingons have doctors so they don't kill everyone who's sick and can be cured either.
Liberation would be that cure and a chance to regain any possible lost honor.
Sounds good to me.
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# 29
07-12-2011, 01:46 AM
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i watched birthright again the other day (tng; season 6 epps 16 and 17) and it showed klingons who would rather die than be freed, who chose to stay prisoners because the dishonor of returning would affect their families for 3 generations.

so surely the honorable way to liberate a klingon is with a bat'leth to the throat.

because of this i think the klinogn liberated race should be gorn, as a subdued race i dont think they care too much about their conquors sence of honor and a giant zombie lizard man robot appeals to me for some reason.

(note; i dont expect anything to acctualy change, just putting it out there that i dont think klingons would want to live after being captured)
On the other hand, Martok was captured during Dominion Wars and with aid of Worf and buddies was able to escape in honorable way. He was even used as Jem'Hadar target dummy during his imprisonment and lost his eye in one fight.
If there is even slight change for escape Klingon needs to try it and that way reclaim his honor.
I don't see any problem with liberated Klingon Borgs. There some occasions Borg when drones have been disconnected from the Borg Collective Mind, check Voyager for those examples.



http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Martok
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# 30
07-12-2011, 05:20 AM
i've noticed alot of mentions of escape or killing the guards.... how exactly would a borg manage this, they loose their free will and independant thought.

sure escaping a prison could salvage some honor but i dont think there is any way to get yourself out of the colective
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