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# 121
09-02-2011, 12:21 AM
I begin to wonder how much they will cost in C-Store.
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# 122
09-02-2011, 02:25 AM
Hehehehe There is a Guy Fawkes mask in the background on that tweetleak Trek17 linked.
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# 123
09-13-2011, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by vampiric_hoshi View Post
However, the T5 Bird of Prey is a Raider. The K'Vort is a Cruiser. So the two obviously do not fit despite a similarity in size.
Since when do the "canon"-description of cruiser and the ingame-category "Cruiser" equal each other?
There are multible ships that were named or indicatet to be cruisers onscreen that endet up in diffrent categorys.... wich is a good thing, we'd have 90% cruisers in the game if it were diffrent.

For the Hegh'ta, just judging from the looks... it IS a cruiser, so the K'vort can easyly work as a Hegh'ta skin although beeing a named "Cruiser" in Yesterdays Enterprise...

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Originally Posted by mister_dee
It's bigger as in "legth" and "width", but look at the ships themselves.
The Defiant is roughly turtle-shaped, meaning it is rather sturdy and compact while the Hegh'ta has a spindly thin hull with large yet not really thick wings.
So it's like saying an antenna mast must be togher than a truck because the mast is bigger.
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The problem is what the hull is shaped like...how much mass it has versus what little spindles it has...etc..
Na.... honestly.... the main Hull is build prety massive... the ship is prety large.... and just look at the fleet escort or.. well a lot of ships look more fragile and have more hull.

The reason for the Hegh'tas low hull is game balance, not less, not more. I'd love to see a version that... matches its viusals better... but I can live with that basicly...
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# 124
09-15-2011, 05:16 AM
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Since when do the "canon"-description of cruiser and the ingame-category "Cruiser" equal each other?
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There are multible ships that were named or indicatet to be cruisers onscreen that endet up in diffrent categorys
Name one ship that was canonically identified as a cruiser, and not later identified as something else, and isn't a cruiser in STO.

Ships like the Nebula, and the Galor, are probably what you're thinking of - but since the Nebula was referred too consistently as a Science ship, and the Galor's classification changed every time it was seen, makes them both fair game.

Constitution, Galaxy, Sovereign, K't'inga, Vor'Cha, Negh'Var, Excelsior, all referred too as Cruisers, all cruisers in STO. I would say that there is a very strong case to be had for "canon cruiser" = "STO cruiser".

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wich is a good thing, we'd have 90% cruisers in the game if it were diffrent.
As above, it wouldn't be any different.

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For the Hegh'ta, just judging from the looks... it IS a cruiser, so the K'vort can easyly work as a Hegh'ta skin
As powerful as the Hegh'Ta is, it is still a glass cannon - its inability to sustain damage clearly does not make it a cruiser, and that is the point. Looks, and even size, are irrelevant. The point of making a specific ship a specific class is about its stats.

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although beeing a named "Cruiser" in Yesterdays Enterprise...
The K'Vort was also referred too as a Cruiser on multiple occasions throughout DS9 as well, confirming that the K'Vort does exist in the prime timeline, and that it is considered a cruiser by both Starfleet and the Klingons.
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# 125
09-15-2011, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by vampiric_hoshi View Post
Name one ship that was canonically identified as a cruiser, and not later identified as something else, and isn't a cruiser in STO.

Ships like the Nebula, and the Galor, are probably what you're thinking of - but since the Nebula was referred too consistently as a Science ship, and the Galor's classification changed every time it was seen, makes them both fair game.

Constitution, Galaxy, Sovereign, K't'inga, Vor'Cha, Negh'Var, Excelsior, all referred too as Cruisers, all cruisers in STO. I would say that there is a very strong case to be had for "canon cruiser" = "STO cruiser".
Just to make that short and not list 90% of the STO chart:
The NX class is named CRUISER on every possible occasion and is an escort.
And this is the featured ship of an entire series.
Case closed.


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Originally Posted by vampiric_hoshi View Post
As powerful as the Hegh'Ta is, it is still a glass cannon - its inability to sustain damage clearly does not make it a cruiser, and that is the point. Looks, and even size, are irrelevant. The point of making a specific ship a specific class is about its stats.
Yes for pure gamebalance reasons no more no less, doesnt change the fact that it looks indictes that it is a cruiser.


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The K'Vort was also referred too as a Cruiser on multiple occasions throughout DS9 as well, confirming that the K'Vort does exist in the prime timeline, and that it is considered a cruiser by both Starfleet and the Klingons.
Dont know wich non canon fan stuff you consider canon, but beside "Yesterdays Enterprise" the term K'Vort appears ONCE on a display in DS9, the term cruiser is NOT connectet to that and the actual ship it was refering to is NEVER seen on screen. We just know that it is a bird of prey and that Worf was in command. And we know how its escape pod looks .
Thats not multiple times.
Also I'm not questioning the K'Vort being a cruiser. I'm questioning (and have prooven above) that cruisers in canon do not equal the cruiser category in STO.
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# 126
09-15-2011, 09:23 AM
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Just to make that short and not list 90% of the STO chart:
The NX class is named CRUISER on every possible occasion and is an escort.
And this is the featured ship of an entire series.
Case closed.
The NX Class has NEVER been referred too as a Cruiser in canon. It has actually never had its role/class confirmed canonically, which is why it is still only referred too as "NX Class".

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(and have prooven above)
No you haven't.

Go read this: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/NX_class

Point to any point where it refers to the NX as a Cruiser.

Never happened.
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