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# 21
08-09-2011, 09:24 PM
I am always happy to see refitted ships. I think we could use a few more design variants with more design freedom like the ships done during STO's concept art phase. The Miranda does not belong in T5, however. So I agree with a max T3 variant.

I have always been a bit disappointed with the starter frigates in STO. I know that you want to save the really great ship designs for endgame or as you level up, but the look of the T1 Frigates is just OUTDATED. Starting with a cool looking ship might grab a few more players at the start.

And on a similar note, the shuttle that you get from the vault is also outdated. Why can't we get the Edison Shuttle?
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# 22
08-10-2011, 08:02 AM
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I wouldn't want to see a t5 Miranda. It's just too old. I'm not a fan of seeing these downright ancient ships on par with "modern" contemporaries at admiral level.

However, I would be interested in seeing a new t5 ship that has the same design lineage as the Miranda. Like how the Galaxy has it's lineage in the constitution, and the Sovereign has it's lineage in the Galaxy, etc. A whole new ship ready for the 25th century, but with obvious Miranda heritage. Could even make it a general purpose ship like the t1 Miranda. A universal boff slot, moderate hull strength (compared to other t5 vessels) 4 fore 3 aft weapons, a faster turn rate than a cruiser but slower than an escort, etc. Make it not overpowered in any way, but so versatile that anyone can feel comfortable flying it. Or, if it's too hard to balance that, just make it a science vessel.
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# 23
08-10-2011, 08:22 AM
I think as Blayyde pointed out the Nebula is very-much the successor to the Miranda. Miranda was a Cruiser saucer without a secondary hull just as the Nebula is.
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# 24
08-10-2011, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hravik
Actually, I do think the Miranda carried equal or slightly more firepower, the trade off was it seemed less durable overall.

The Connie refit has six dual phaser banks on the saucer (three ventral / three dorsal), two forward firing torpedo tubes with no aft firing torps, two single phaser emitters over the shuttle bay and four single midship emitters.

The Miranda mirrors the saucer phaser arrangement with the addition of two single, forward firing, emitters in the rollbar. Two forward torpedo tubes, two aft (something for some reason the refit Connie lacks). It also has two single emitters under the impulse engines.

Overall the Miranda only has two less single emitter banks than the Connie, but imo more than makes up for that with the ability to fire torpedoes aft.

Edit: As far as a refit Miranda...nah. I've been asking for a new ship based on the Miranda layout for a long time tho. Perhaps a newer model at T2, kitbashed from the Excalibur parts. Or a larger version kitbashed from Sovereign parts at T4/T5.
The Miranda had the same firepower as a connie and shield strength, which made it cheaper to mass produce. But its hull was weaker. It was smarter to have a ship that had all the strengths of a Connie plus greater speed and maneuverability to compliment the new excelsior class ships being produced.
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# 25
08-10-2011, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Raymond_Chandler
The Mirien makes more sense as the Miranda was old when the Constitution class show up on the seen. It's a old rustbucket ofa ship that is being replaced by the Shi-Khar class
The Miranda came after the Connie as a cost-effective class ship of comparable strength and ability, but less components.
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# 26
08-10-2011, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Blayyde
The Miranda was not an Escort (or any kind of warship) is was a Science Cessel. The Reliant was only pressed into service as a warship by Khan, when he took it from the Genesis Project, which was using it as a scout and supply vessel. In other words, it was on a science mission.

By that token, the TNG version of the Miranda is the Nebula. The design of the two classes are directly comparable, in both cases you take the saucer from a cruiser (Constititon and Galaxy, respectively) remove the secondary hull (the Nebula places a shortened secondary hull under the saucer) and mount the warp naceles underneath the saucer. A superstructure on top of the saucer then mounts an interchangable mission pod, which can be selected to match the mission. This superstructure can even be used to mount weapons for a more offensive ship. (although this really isn't an option in game, but it does fit the canon)

This is not to say that I wouldn't like to see lower tier ships usable at higher tiers, but making the Miranda into an Escort is not the way to do it.
The Miranda was a multi-role vessel, not just a science vessel. It was an escort since the Miranda was never used for extended deep space exploration, usually assigned near starbases. It filled the role that the Connie didn't, since the Connie went on 5 year missions.
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# 27
08-10-2011, 08:49 AM
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The Miranda had the same firepower as a connie and shield strength, which made it cheaper to mass produce. But its hull was weaker. It was smarter to have a ship that had all the strengths of a Connie plus greater speed and maneuverability to compliment the new excelsior class ships being produced.
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The Miranda came after the Connie as a cost-effective class ship of comparable strength and ability, but less components.
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The Miranda was a multi-role vessel, not just a science vessel. It was an escort since the Miranda was never used for extended deep space exploration, usually assigned near starbases. It filled the role that the Connie didn't, since the Connie went on 5 year missions.
Do you have an actual source for any of this or is this your personal opinion regarding the ship?
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# 28
08-10-2011, 08:50 AM
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The Miranda was a multi-role vessel, not just a science vessel. It was an escort since the Miranda was never used for extended deep space exploration, usually assigned near starbases. It filled the role that the Connie didn't, since the Connie went on 5 year missions.
The Nebula was also a multi-role vessel that often had additional torpedo launchers installed in its tripod flap for more escort-like firepower.
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# 29
08-10-2011, 03:06 PM
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I would not mind seeing the Merian as a T2 Miranda.
Meh I'd go T5ish just because the Merian has slipstream.
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# 30
08-16-2011, 10:30 PM
I was just looking through my DS9 Technical Manual. According to that, the Miranda-class (as seen during the Dominion War) was armed with two pulse phaser cannons. Of the same make as the four mounted on the Defiant-class. I wouldn't mind that choice for any of my Miranda variants.
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