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# 1 Micro Transactions
08-11-2011, 07:19 AM
i bought this game, 2 days ago and unsubscribed a day ago, any game that has a full paid monthly subscription and yet has so many micro transactions for any new content, makes me wonder why is there a monthly subscription...honestly a refund would be great but if not, off to the BBB for me.

also the game comes with 30 days of playtime to start, yet they insist on making you subscribe before you can even use this try out the first 30 days. these combined just burnt me from anything cryptic has done or will do in the future.
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# 2
08-11-2011, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Gammos
also the game comes with 30 days of playtime to start, yet they insist on making you subscribe before you can even use this try out the first 30 days. these combined just burnt me from anything cryptic has done or will do in the future.
That's standard. You have to put in a credit card to subscribe to the game. The first month is free. The second month you will be auto-billed. Most every MMO I've ever played works that same way.
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# 3
08-11-2011, 07:23 AM
The part about having to subscribe before using the 30 is fairly normal among MMOs. I think they allow you to cancel, as you did, without charge.

I agree, however, that it's pretty annoying Cryptic "double dips" with a subscription fee and has a store with microtransactions with items that they claim are solely "cosmetic". (The whole deal with the Rhode Island class are seeming exceptions)
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# 4
08-11-2011, 07:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gammos
i bought this game, 2 days ago and unsubscribed a day ago, any game that has a full paid monthly subscription and yet has so many micro transactions for any new content, makes me wonder why is there a monthly subscription...honestly a refund would be great but if not, off to the BBB for me.
The C-Store is primarily fluff material - some of which can be earned in-game simply by playing - but none of it is needed to play the game in any way.

Quote:
also the game comes with 30 days of playtime to start, yet they insist on making you subscribe before you can even use this try out the first 30 days. these combined just burnt me from anything cryptic has done or will do in the future.
As Superchum stated, that is standard practice in every subscription MMO. You must always enter some form of payment for verification. You can always cancel before your free month is up and you will not be billed for the next month until the 30 day time period is reached.
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# 5
08-11-2011, 08:02 AM
is there something specific in the C-Store you would expect for free?

the Ships you can get mostly inside the game for ...actually playing the game (as in grinding 500 Emblems, takes about a month of doing your dailies.)

Uniforms you would have to buy though, no way around that.
I know of only one Uniform that you can earn ingame (the ambassador one for the DXP grind...)

Also there are sales for every possible occasion from 20% to 50%, we even got the Atari Tokens off 20% once now.
So if you stick around long enough and don't jump on the hype about the newest item of the month you can theoretically get a discount of 70% on all C-Store items. (50% is more likely, 20% happens about every month).



....
having to put in your subscription info, even if you cancel the sub 5 minutes later... is pretty much default for MMO's
a friend of mine got screwed by that though and payed a second month even though he did not play, just because he forgot to unsub...
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# 6
08-11-2011, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Z3R0B4NG View Post
is there something specific in the C-Store you would expect for free?
1- Playable Klingons on the federation side, since one of the most popular characters in Trek history was a Klingon.
2- TOS, TNG and DS9 uniforms, since the Khan uniform was free.
3- Galaxy class specific bridges, since all that bridge really was, was a fixed version of one of the free bridges that the game came with.

That's just off the top of my head. Yeah, there are things in the c-store that should not be there.
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# 7
08-11-2011, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One View Post
The C-Store is primarily fluff material - some of which can be earned in-game simply by playing - but none of it is needed to play the game in any way.


As Superchum stated, that is standard practice in every subscription MMO. You must always enter some form of payment for verification. You can always cancel before your free month is up and you will not be billed for the next month until the 30 day time period is reached.
this is absolutely true.

as flawed as crytpic is with some of its development and marketing strategy, there billing strategy is actually right on the money!

old MMO's would have you pay for expansions every time there was a new season or new content.
THAT SUCKS!

but instead, with micro-transactions, new game content is free, but new cosmetic and special content is bought.
also game altering or ultra uber content is also charged for, but cryptic actually does a decent job of nerfing "super content" a month or so after it comes out!

also, you can get almost ALL game altering content through many hours of gameplay for FREE!!!

i got my feddie MVAM after a month of emblem grinding, and found it cool but unbroken.
(so i went back to using my birds of prey and defiant)

the VAST majority of stuff in the C store is costumes, pets and utility based, which you can certainly enjoy the game without!

i for one actually buy the klingon cosmetics and pets, and skip over the "super ships" because most of them are actually unremarkable!
and again, most "super ships" and shuttles and even some cosmetic content can be aquired with around 30-50 hours of gameplay

ALSO, almost every super weapon or ship equipment set is available through content missions, SUCH AS:

-the CURSED Har-Peng torpedo (the cheapest and most abused fed weapon in the game!)
-the breen super transphasic mine torpedo
-the aegis ship set
-the BORG ship set
-the breen ship set
-every very rare purple ship item known to the universe
-every very rare purple ground item known to the universe
-devidian ground weapons like the serpent septor
-the anti devidian gun
-vintage phasers
-the Reman shield
-the rapid fire transphasic torpedo launcher
- the list goes on and on!

THAT's NOT BAD

the only REAL problem with the game is that cryptic is seriously understaffed, and their dev team is split betwween band-aiding STO and developing Neverwinter (neverwind or whatever its called)

so STO has a higher then normal rate of bugs, and they pride themselves on giving the klingons the SHAFT
(but if you don't play klingon, that's not a problem for you!)

so if you are going to quit because cryptic miss-manages the game so badly, or because they fail to alocate company resources properly... it's america man! you are free to do so!

but to quit or threaten to quit because of the C-Store or billing policy... NO sir... you are way off base!

cryptic actually adhears to the industry standard and are deploying the proper strategy to provide value with gameplay, but also make money off things like tribbles, targs, and andorian mini skirts!
(all of which will NOT help you in PvP or PvE!)
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# 8
08-11-2011, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gammos
i bought this game, 2 days ago and unsubscribed a day ago, any game that has a full paid monthly subscription and yet has so many micro transactions for any new content, makes me wonder why is there a monthly subscription...honestly a refund would be great but if not, off to the BBB for me.

also the game comes with 30 days of playtime to start, yet they insist on making you subscribe before you can even use this try out the first 30 days. these combined just burnt me from anything cryptic has done or will do in the future.
Most MMO have a micro-transaction store for fluff content. so far anything gamechanging in the C-store, also has a way to unlock it ingame. As to the subscribing, its the same way with most MMOs. I think wow is the only one still on the old model.

In before lock.
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# 9
08-11-2011, 04:00 PM
Fanboy defense force to the rescue!

Seriously, it's not the fact that there are Micro Transactions, it's the fact that there are so many, that they are so overpriced, and that so many are game altering. Some of the C-store ships are simply superior, like the upcoming rhode island -- and MVAM is the best escort in the game.

For a player that has been playing and amassing emblems since launch, the in-game prices may be affordable, but for a new player it's a false dichotomy -- grinding 500+ emblems will take them months, is the opposite of fun, and from a time=money standpoint is actually more costly than simply buying the ships outright (and buying outright unlocks across the entire account)

Even some of the cosmetic items make little sense. If you have a Prometheus ship in game, you would expect it to come with the correct interior, but the to actually get the correct bridge you need go to the C-store. The T1 connie is even worse, since you need to buy it from the C-store, and then also buy the interior from the C-store,

All of this wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the monthly sub, or the fact that a disproportionate amount of development takes place on the C-store while content additions are few and far between. The fact that Cryptic keeps a skeletal dev team on STO while starting new projects only supports the position that Cryptic creates "McMMOs".

The worst part is that this player is not alone. Tons of people avoid this game because they recognize that it is little more than a money trap. Cryptic is making an intentional decision to sacrifice subscription numbers for wringing out more money from the remaining playerbase. Besides PvPers and some LTS players, everyone with a shred of fiscal intelligence has abandoned the game. A visible portion of the remaining playerbase is of such low quality that they actually defend Cryptic's actions.
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# 10
08-11-2011, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by D-Rek View Post
this is absolutely true.

cryptic actually adhears to the industry standard and are deploying the proper strategy to provide value with gameplay, but also make money off things like tribbles, targs, and andorian mini skirts!
(all of which will NOT help you in PvP or PvE!)
Andorian mini-skirts? Where?
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