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# 91
08-25-2011, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
doesn't prove anything? and as you can see, the even the ambassador class as bigger then a sovereign. that second galaxy is likely a galaxy's stats after a refit, probably during the dominion war. the Prometheus is hard to gauge, it was written to be majorly more powerful then it should have been capable of. that happens a lot, the hero ship is written as the underdog to create drama all the time. voyager had as much trouble fighting kazzan as it did fighting the borg.
The second class was a refit due to borg influence I believe DD. The prome, its tech setup is a head and shoulders above the others. Yet canon wise we know so little of it, but make no mistake it was design to be the toughest ship on the block even in the tech manual.

However, the question is if the Galaxy was the toughest, vs the Soveriegn. That is up for folks to decide, i posted all the specs, they can be compaired, with no plot writings or devices, and the decision made for themselves.

Now if you are talking in game? I am spec in all cruisers, and to me I can fly the G(r), the G(x), and the Sovereign with no noticeable change, but that is just because of my setups.

Outside of that, well I am no expert, other then reading the specs already presented.
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# 92
08-25-2011, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RAJ_2011
As much as i like the galaxy....


dontdrunkimshoot to everything you have said = Proof please.
its hard to prove fiction to be true, but the proof is whats been seen in the tv shows and whats been written in the tng technical manual. some tech specs with no basis of comparison don't really mean all that much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d734afLFPds

this vid is a good showing of what a galaxy could do in the series

most of my conclusions were drawn from discussions of the issue i participated in on other forums over the internet, were folks a lot smarter then me showed real evidence on the issue. there was actually a good LONG description about it on this very forum before the game launched. i wasn't around here then, but its the same folks ive debated in other places in the past.

i used to think the sovereign was the top ship, but over the course of the debate i was convinced otherwise. i don't have the time or energy to re argue and present a ton of evidence all over again, so you can just read some of it yourself.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=16715

*edit- and seriously, the burden of proof should be on the sovereign supporters who think its more powerful then a ship 2.5 times bigger then it. same with the Prometheus, I'd rank it between the akira and sovereign when its intact, and each section being about as powerful as a defiant separate. its highly powerful, for its size, but its not large enough to generate the power much larger ships can
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# 93
08-25-2011, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
its hard to prove fiction to be true, but the proof is whats been seen in the tv shows and whats been written in the tng technical manual. some tech specs with no basis of comparison don't really mean all that much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d734afLFPds

this vid is a good showing of what a galaxy could do in the series

most of my conclusions were drawn from discussions of the issue i participated in on other forums over the internet, were folks a lot smarter then me showed real evidence on the issue. there was actually a good LONG description about it on this very forum before the game launched. i wasn't around here then, but its the same folks ive debated in other places in the past.

i used to think the sovereign was the top ship, but over the course of the debate i was convinced otherwise. i don't have the time or energy to re argue and present a ton of evidence all over again, so you can just read some of it yourself.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=16715
Do I need to dig out the video of the USS Odyssey getting taken out by 3 small Jem'hadar ships?
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# 94
08-25-2011, 11:24 AM
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Do I need to dig out the video of the USS Odyssey getting taken out by 3 small Jem'hadar ships?
the second worst writing railroading of a galaxy class! the worst being generations. that episode actually had allot of implied combat off screen, they had to fight their way to the planet where Sisco was being held captive. so by the time we see that scene were the odyssey was destroyed, the ship probably had 6-10 bug ship kills, and was in bad shape considering its shields were useless the whole time.
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# 95
08-25-2011, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
the second worst writing railroading of a galaxy class! the worst being generations. that episode actually had allot of implied combat off screen, they had to fight their way to the planet where Sisco was being held captive. so by the time we see that scene were the odyssey was destroyed, the ship probably had 6-10 bug ship kills, and was in bad shape considering its shields were useless the whole time.
So you're saying the Odyssey fought its way there but the runabout with Kira and Dax didn't?

Let's just say it's better not to speculate about what we don't but rather deal with what we actually see on screen: a perfectly good Galaxy get taken out be 3 small ships.
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# 96
08-25-2011, 12:17 PM
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=16715

Mostly everyone agrees the sovereign would win out right against a galaxy which is true, but it won't be easy and the galaxy was one the best ship of its time then the sovereign class took over and now its the odyssey class, get over it.
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# 97
08-25-2011, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One View Post
So you're saying the Odyssey fought its way there but the runabout with Kira and Dax didn't?

Let's just say it's better not to speculate about what we don't but rather deal with what we actually see on screen: a perfectly good Galaxy get taken out be 3 small ships.
i just re watched it to double check, and i remembered wrong. it still got railroaded, though no ship seemed capable of dealing with those bug ships at all until after the cardasians allied with them and apparent countermeasures were developed

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAJ_2011
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=16715

Mostly everyone agrees the sovereign would win out right against a galaxy which is true, but it won't be easy and the galaxy was one the best ship of its time then the sovereign class took over and now its the odyssey class, get over it.
you didn't read nearly enough of the thread to draw that conclusion. and im not going to get over the truth any time soon. im the only one actually posting evidence and actually analyzing things, i have yet to see any opposing arguments that are more then baseless assertions.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...4&postcount=50
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=111
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=118
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=120
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=418
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=480
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=519
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=533
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=564
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=570
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=579

heres some great informative posts from just hopping around the pages.
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# 98
08-25-2011, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
i just re watched it to double check, and i remembered wrong. it still got railroaded, though no ship seemed capable of dealing with those bug ships at all until after the cardasians allied with them and apparent countermeasures were developed



you didn't read nearly enough of the thread to draw that conclusion. and im not going to get over the truth any time soon. im the only one actually posting evidence and actually analyzing things, i have yet to see any opposing arguments that are more then baseless assertions.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...4&postcount=50
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=111
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=118
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=120
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=418
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=480
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=519
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=533
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=564
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=570
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=579

heres some great informative posts from just hopping around the pages.
OMG galaxy class is one of the most advanced ships, each ship class has there speicality. At the end of the day its just Science-Ficition.
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# 99
08-25-2011, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RAJ_2011
OMG galaxy class is one of the most advanced ships, each ship class has there speicality. At the end of the day its just Science-Ficition.
turns out, if your not winning an argument you can always marginalize the topic, that's the same as winning
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# 100
08-25-2011, 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
its hard to prove fiction to be true, but the proof is whats been seen in the tv shows and whats been written in the tng technical manual. some tech specs with no basis of comparison don't really mean all that much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d734afLFPds

this vid is a good showing of what a galaxy could do in the series

most of my conclusions were drawn from discussions of the issue i participated in on other forums over the internet, were folks a lot smarter then me showed real evidence on the issue. there was actually a good LONG description about it on this very forum before the game launched. i wasn't around here then, but its the same folks ive debated in other places in the past.

i used to think the sovereign was the top ship, but over the course of the debate i was convinced otherwise. i don't have the time or energy to re argue and present a ton of evidence all over again, so you can just read some of it yourself.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=16715

*edit- and seriously, the burden of proof should be on the sovereign supporters who think its more powerful then a ship 2.5 times bigger then it. same with the Prometheus, I'd rank it between the akira and sovereign when its intact, and each section being about as powerful as a defiant separate. its highly powerful, for its size, but its not large enough to generate the power much larger ships can
To be fair, realize that in the MAJORITY of the clips in that 1701-D video, in the combat encounters depicted; most ended with the Galaxy Class ship either destroyed, heavily damaged, or crippled; while the target(s) usually ended up in being in better shape. (Just saying)
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