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# 91
08-25-2011, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorena
Dude, you take this the wrong way i've been pugging in that forum post and ppl using multiple cruisers with tactical team would have made it painful, but tactical team with extend and you can shoot forever and everytime you switch target someone else was extended.. I didn't make the TSI funday rules and said yeah everyone is gonna run extend3, tactical team in mind, In team setups vs other premade fleets extend and tactical team is alot easier to handle imo.

You talk when I run faw3 escort with 4dbb, you know what we didn't really know it was op we even had a thread asking if this isn't doing too much dmg I remember that many thought it was quite alright.. I still think it did too much damage but how can you highlight that something is wrong unless you use it..

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...highlight=faw3

Dont bring definatly exploits into the discussions when we are talking about space powers.. Voldemort and dubble shields is exploit and everyone knows it.
*Grabs popcorn*
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# 92
08-25-2011, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidemand82 View Post
Damn Jakub you know we dont use SS3 - Faw - Pengs stop saying otherwise you use to be cool beans bro but not anymore, after you joined LF its like you turned 8 facings
Oh come on Tide there's huge diference between "use" and "used" right? Read my post one more time buddy.
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# 93
08-25-2011, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidemand82 View Post
Mr Cutter are talking about what happent long ago, you know after the Faw buff that we dont run it, oh not true I tried it for 2 hours in pvp after the so called (non) fixed and then I took it off again.

Sure I have 1 ship with SS2 max skilled with full aux tell you what ill take if off and replace it with SS1, yes I agree that SS2 can be brutal too so there you go. It could also be banned from Opvp turney I could agree with that too.
I'm sure I can speak for Cutter when I say this: we don't care what you use. Use any and every skill and item available in the game so long as you aren't exploiting. We are not the PvP police. We are sane people who realize how futile it is to attempt to control another player's build, equipment and skill choices in a game. We will adapt. That's what PvP'ers do. Anyone with any shred of MMO PvP experience knows that there will always be new items, skill tweaks and fotm. That's part of the treadmill. That's how MMOs work. To pine for total stagnation and think you can run the same builds and tactics since beta is insanity.

What we don't like is hypocrisy. People QewQew day and night about us using skills that that they, themselves, and everybody else uses... as a matter of fact, they can even be using it in the very match that sparks the QewQew. There is a double standard going on... it's OK for others but not for us. Captain Data represents this quite well... now it's because we use teamwork in conjunction with skills? But if we play without teamwork, like they do, then it would be OK? Then throw in some outright lies and use some "PvP math" like beagles (two scrambles per ship) and it turns from hypocrisy to slander.

Run your tournament with your rules. That's cool. It's great to see QewQew attempting to build instead of destroy community events. Dueling can and should have rules. Ever heard of "duel no pots?" That comes from UO. But I assure you, everyone used pots in open PvP and there was never a QewQew in sight*. To expect your arbitrary tournament rules to be followed in open PvP is pure insanity. That's just not how MMOs, PvP or human nature works.

* I could be wrong about that... maybe beagles invented the term "pot chugger."
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# 94
08-25-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MelineAaele View Post
I spam singlecannons on my Excelsior and Vor'cha, am I a bad apple?
If by spam, you mean shoot fast with CRF1, then yes!

Just tell your tactical officer to cancel the red alert and fly thru the debris field, you should be safe then :p

Does that make you a bad apple? No..if only because I run a similar setup on my 'chas and excels.
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# 95
08-25-2011, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MelineAaele View Post
I spam singlecannons on my Excelsior and Vor'cha, am I a bad apple?
Nope just an apple :p
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# 96
08-25-2011, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorena
You talk when I run faw3 escort with 4dbb, you know what we didn't really know it was op we even had a thread asking if this isn't doing too much dmg I remember that many thought it was quite alright.. I still think it did too much damage but how can you highlight that something is wrong unless you use it..
Don't get me wrong. Of course u must use a skill or u'll never notice if its working wrong or right, but u alrdy said so.
And i guess it was only bad luck that we always met a special team consisting of 1 or 2 escorts ans 3 or 4 cruisers all equipped with 4dbbs and all using faw3.

Im not talking about exploits, voldemort is a bug and happend from time to time.
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# 97
08-25-2011, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BorrowedTune

What we don't like is hypocrisy. People QewQew day and night about us using skills that that they, themselves, and everybody else uses... as a matter of fact, they can even be using it in the very match that sparks the QewQew. There is a double standard going on... it's OK for others but not for us. Captain Data represents this quite well... now it's because we use teamwork in conjunction with skills? But if we play without teamwork, like they do, then it would be OK? Then throw in some outright lies and use some "PvP math" like beagles (two scrambles per ship) and it turns from hypocrisy to slander.
Was that backhanded compliment it sure felt like a back handed compliment...

Like I said I have a certain build my teammates usually have a certain build usually not complimentary but different I try and guide people in my fleet if they want to know how I do what I do but I hardly mandate builds. In LF/SoS we PvP with what we got we do not care if we do not have healers or sci guys. But like I said if I see a fleet that I know uses a crap ton of SCI I will not play them I will zone or take my shields off. It isn't a learning experience because I refuse to play with teams or builds that every other cookie cutter fleet runs. This game is about fun if I have to pigeon hole myself to a particular setup in every day PvP then its not fun.

To LF/SoS members posting here my intent was not call anyone specific a bad apple but to state every fleet has people that does thing outside the intent of the fleet.
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# 98
08-25-2011, 10:47 AM
This

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Originally Posted by Captain Data
But like I said if I see a fleet that I know uses a crap ton of SCI I will not play them I will zone or take my shields off. It isn't a learning experience because I refuse to play with teams or builds that every other cookie cutter fleet runs.
does not jive with this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Data
FS I know has 5-6 guys that constantly fly with each other with a team build same with QEW. I won't hide I hate FS and will refuse to play against their premade it isn't fun. I will play against a QEW, LORE, TSI, SOB some times, and 7th Core
You assert that FS uses "cookie cutter" builds like everyone else yet we get singled out as "bad" while it's OK for other fleets to do the same, exact thing. Double standard.
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# 99
08-25-2011, 11:00 AM
I won't let the argument "If it's in the game, you can use it" stand. It's the same BS members of TSI's famous Fringe team proclaim in OPVP and it's just not true. You can griefe in a game, but you shouldn't do that. You can call other players ********s, but you shouldn't. You can use Scramble3, but you shouldn't. And I'm still on the side, that SS should be banned alltogether. IMO it's the single one skill in this game that actually makes the game for others not fun to play. If 2 teams with many Scrambles encounter each other it's a total ****fest.

Also: Why is the idea of a PVP Police so bad? With Cryptic's track record of PVP support a Community PVP Police is the only option to make PVP enjoyable. So everyone should help working on some community guidelines to which people then stick.
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# 100
08-25-2011, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gaius View Post
If 2 teams with many Scrambles encounter each other it's a total ****fest.
Yesterday it was quite funny.

No ss-spam is fine, no extend spam is fine too, just 2 add.
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