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# 81 -.-
08-25-2011, 08:03 AM
well lol all you want furQQ...but i have a screeny where we fought qew and i had 2 scrambles on me...including scramble3...oh yeah and i have another one where one of you guys is using faw3...oh and another one where you can see carrier spam(including mines)...oh and don't forget the match where you guys were using 3 or even more extend shields
(but when tsi for example is using more than 2 extend shields ..then it is "spam" and "cheese")

but whatever we show you...you'll still be QQing about using skills...like startrekfan said...every top fleet is using those so called "cheese" skills...

so no need to start bashing startrekfan now

btw back to topic
i agree with furQQ there that the range of scramble should be decreased....single target looks like too much of a nerf imo...
and btw...yeah we all know scramble3 is evil
but scramble2 is also really really evil if it's fully skilled
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# 82
08-25-2011, 08:18 AM
Honestly to tell you the truth this game has become so muddled it is hard to tell who is in what fleet any more. You have guys with 3 toons in Fleet A but also has 2 toons in Fleet B and maybe 1 toon in 3 other fleets. It is that the metagame is so firmly entrenched in science if it was actually balanced we would not need to call out fleets for using XYZ. It is sad that teams actually make premades based around 1 skill, I mean I guess it could be worse tacs could rule.

Really do we need to have the Qew vs LF vs FS drama. Given I am member of LF/SoS so I maybe biased. To LFs defense we do not have a true premade team. We have 5 people that have 5 builds and do not coordinate their builds so any synergy we have is by chance. FS I know has 5-6 guys that constantly fly with each other with a team build same with QEW. I won't hide I hate FS and will refuse to play against their premade it isn't fun. I will play against a QEW, LORE, TSI, SOB some times, and 7th Core because for the most part they leave the cheese else where or because some of those fleets are PuG premades now.

I hate losing to beagles or goose or anyone else in QEW but i can admit 95% I deserved they are good players adn they beat me because they are more skilled then. Unlike a lot of people that harbor ill will towards their fleet I never had an issue with anyone from that fleet. I know if I ever left LF/SoS, QEW would one of the first fleets I would go to.
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# 83
08-25-2011, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cutter.Slade View Post

but whatever we show you...you'll still be QQing about using skills...like startrekfan said...every top fleet is using those so called "cheese" skills...
As far as i can tell, we have been shown nothing. A lot of talk, but no actual proof. If someone in our fleet is using mines or cheese i want to know, because they will be kicked from the fleet. BUT you have nothing on us so stop wasting my time.

Thanks.
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# 84
08-25-2011, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Data
I hate losing to beagles or goose or anyone else in QEW but i can admit 95% I deserved they are good players adn they beat me because they are more skilled then.
Yeah me too but they are skilled like many good players and you are not worse than any player in their fleet. Feature which distinguishes them and TSI, FS or for example some of the german fleets, is exellent team play and communication. This is the huge advantage of small fleets where everybody knows each other well.
I hope we will find a good way to create good, full specialized teams for pvp in our both fleets.

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As far as i can tell, we have been shown nothing. A lot of talk, but no actual proof. If someone in our fleet is using mines or cheese i want to know, because they will be kicked from the fleet. BUT you have nothing on us so stop wasting my time.
Many ppl knows me and they know that I'm not liar. Few weeks ago your fleet used - like you said -"cheese" as many top and ordinary fleets. I don't judge you guys cause I was using one peng recently and SS many months ago so I'm not clear. It's ok. Let's close this topic Beagles. I'm here from the very begining and I've seen the long way you've had guys - from "turret boats" and leaving pvp matches during fights to QEW and 1st victory with LORE and TSI.
I don't suffer on ax to grind so I don't collect screenshots because it's just silly but I can if you want "war of screenshots". I leave stress in my work and than I'm logging here to have good fun and relax. I wish you the same Beag.
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# 85
08-25-2011, 09:42 AM
Damn Jakub you know we dont use SS3 - Faw - Pengs stop saying otherwise you use to be cool beans bro but not anymore, after you joined LF its like you turned 8 facings
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# 86
08-25-2011, 09:50 AM
*Grabs popcorn*
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# 87
08-25-2011, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Cutter.Slade View Post
well lol all you want furQQ...but i have a screeny where we fought qew and i had 2 scrambles on me...including scramble3...oh yeah and i have another one where one of you guys is using faw3...oh and another one where you can see carrier spam(including mines)...oh and don't forget the match where you guys were using 3 or even more extend shields
(but when tsi for example is using more than 2 extend shields ..then it is "spam" and "cheese")

but whatever we show you...you'll still be QQing about using skills...like startrekfan said...every top fleet is using those so called "cheese" skills...

so no need to start bashing startrekfan now

btw back to topic
i agree with furQQ there that the range of scramble should be decreased....single target looks like too much of a nerf imo...
and btw...yeah we all know scramble3 is evil
but scramble2 is also really really evil if it's fully skilled
Mr Cutter are talking about what happent long ago, you know after the Faw buff that we dont run it, oh not true I tried it for 2 hours in pvp after the so called (non) fixed and then I took it off again.

Sure I have 1 ship with SS2 max skilled with full aux tell you what ill take if off and replace it with SS1, yes I agree that SS2 can be brutal too so there you go. It could also be banned from Opvp turney I could agree with that too.
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# 88
08-25-2011, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Scorpioking78 View Post
One thing i do expect is, if something is broken and u know it, then don't use it.
TSI is aware of the broken extend thing but u still use it. Why?
I'll just point out to a post made by one of ur guys:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...97&postcount=1



If Z. knows it im sure u all know it too.

Lets remember the time when Faw3 was totally op. Do u remember the name of the fleet that used 3 or more cruisers (Excelsiors) with Faw3 and 4x DBB?
I do and i still remember the argument that was used to justify this lame-setup.
U guys wanted to show us (the whole STO-Community) how broken faw3 is because cryptic didn't react on ur bug-reports and posts in the bug-report forum.

I think it would have been a better way to show the community the existence of voldemort by abusing it in the arenas and the c&h's but u can be sure, we would had have equipped shields of only one type to ensure the combatlog isn't showing anything wrong.
Dude, you take this the wrong way i've been pugging in that forum post and ppl using multiple cruisers with tactical team would have made it painful, but tactical team with extend and you can shoot forever and everytime you switch target someone else was extended.. I didn't make the TSI funday rules and said yeah everyone is gonna run extend3, tactical team in mind, In team setups vs other premade fleets extend and tactical team is alot easier to handle imo.

You talk when I run faw3 escort with 4dbb, you know what we didn't really know it was op we even had a thread asking if this isn't doing too much dmg I remember that many thought it was quite alright.. I still think it did too much damage but how can you highlight that something is wrong unless you use it..

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...highlight=faw3

Dont bring definatly exploits into the discussions when we are talking about space powers.. Voldemort and dubble shields is exploit and everyone knows it.
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# 89
08-25-2011, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidemand82 View Post
Damn Jakub you know we dont use SS3 - Faw - Pengs stop saying otherwise you use to be cool beans bro but not anymore, after you joined LF its like you turned 8 facings
Hey LF is not that bad. Like every fleet we may have a few bad apples.
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# 90
08-25-2011, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Data
Hey LF is not that bad. Like every fleet we may have a few bad apples.
I spam singlecannons on my Excelsior and Vor'cha, am I a bad apple?
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