Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 41
08-26-2011, 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
All the more reason why to have two seperate queues, because they aren't learning. It's no different than a kid off the street in joining the army and throwing him in the middle of a war zone and say, "Don't get killed".

Sure some learn on the fly, but others do not. Perhaps if they fought people more on their level, the gears start to grind a little.

So because they are tired of running into the Best of the Best all the time that they are cowards? Come now, thats why the PvErs are starting to retaliate against the PvP community lately.

Frankly, I don't blame them at all in avoiding the PvP queues.

Think about it, if you know you're not going to lose as soon as the match starts when you see certain people, you try harder. And dunno about the rest of you, but PvP is the best when both sides are nearly even in capability, not 1-sided curbstomps.

If you encourage people, it brings more people in. Else, it's not going to get any better than this and Cryptic would tell Perfect World, "Nah, lets not waste time on PvP, lets put it in other things."


But it's up to you guys. Keep the same ol and hope things get better or start making conesssions in hope it will draw people in.

There aren't enough of the so called casuals out there to support two ques. And there won't be with a player base less than 100k strong.
After a year + if they haven't learned on their own, it's their own fault for not asking "how do I fix my ship?" from people that obviously do know what they are doing. 90 percent of them would rather spend the time whining, moping and feeling sorry for themselves and blaming everyone else for their unwillingness to improve.

No, they're cowards for refusing to better themselves at the game, and reveling in their mutual inadequacy.

I give it my best effort every match, to do any less is insulting to everyone present.

Cryptic should be handing out more than 1 pvp daily, that they don't is criminal when you can farm what 20 emblems through pve. They should encourage it by making pve anything but a facerolling joke. Maybe if they did, people wouldn't show up with Aux to battery and Jam Sensors on their ships.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 42
08-26-2011, 09:23 PM
Dude, don't be dissing my Aux2Bat
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 43
08-26-2011, 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mavairo
There aren't enough of the so called casuals out there to support two ques. And there won't be with a player base less than 100k strong.
After a year + if they haven't learned on their own, it's their own fault for not asking "how do I fix my ship?" from people that obviously do know what they are doing. 90 percent of them would rather spend the time whining, moping and feeling sorry for themselves and blaming everyone else for their unwillingness to improve.

No, they're cowards for refusing to better themselves at the game, and reveling in their mutual inadequacy.

I give it my best effort every match, to do any less is insulting to everyone present.

Cryptic should be handing out more than 1 pvp daily, that they don't is criminal when you can farm what 20 emblems through pve. They should encourage it by making pve anything but a facerolling joke. Maybe if they did, people wouldn't show up with Aux to battery and Jam Sensors on their ships.
If thats the way you feel, that's the way you feel. But this should be expected as well. When people are beaten up they either get stronger, submit, or find a different path.

Right now, our best hope is PW's interest in PvP changes things around.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 44
08-27-2011, 12:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mavairo
A casual que system for what the all of maybe 30 non pvpers playing every night?

Do you know why they are still pugs? Because they still haven't bothered learning the game and never will, because even with their horrible builds npcs don't challenge them, even on Elite. They don't care ultimately about learning how to pvp. If they did they'd be in a pvp fleet, or be making a concerted effort on the forums to learn what they have been doing wrong all this time.[...]
While I agree in the current state of PvP two different queues are no solution I disagree with your opinion on PuGs. Just because they don't want to join a fleet doesn't mean they don't want to learn to play/PvP in earnest.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 45
08-27-2011, 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vampir888 View Post
While I agree in the current state of PvP two different queues are no solution I disagree with your opinion on PuGs. Just because they don't want to join a fleet doesn't mean they don't want to learn to play/PvP in earnest.
Whilst their are a few "lone gunmen" of skill or least aspiring to it, they're the exception, not the rule sadly, and most Puggers are emblem tourists.

As for the "learn to play" sentiment, are you guys genuinely telling me that you enjoy running across these sort of pugs? I'm pretty annoyed when I queue up for twenty minutes or more and then we stamp our way through the other team in less than five. There's no challenge, and thus for me at least, no fun. The matches I've enjoyed most are the ones where the team's won by one or two kills, or the counter's been down low for both C&H teams. Smurfing noobs might be good for inflating the ego, I suppose, but it serves no practical purpose in improving your own game. I saw somebody use the word coward, if anything, it's those wanting to faceroll noobs without breaking a sweat deserving of that word. If that was the gameplay I wanted, I'd dust off the NES and play duck hunt.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 46
08-27-2011, 03:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebeneezergoode
Whilst their are a few "lone gunmen" of skill or least aspiring to it, they're the exception, not the rule sadly, and most Puggers are emblem tourists.
At first i got a little insulted by this, as a person who PREFERS to pug, but then i realized that you're right.
Quote:
As for the "learn to play" sentiment, are you guys genuinely telling me that you enjoy running across these sort of pugs? I'm pretty annoyed when I queue up for twenty minutes or more and then we stamp our way through the other team in less than five. There's no challenge, and thus for me at least, no fun. The matches I've enjoyed most are the ones where the team's won by one or two kills, or the counter's been down low for both C&H teams. Smurfing noobs might be good for inflating the ego, I suppose, but it serves no practical purpose in improving your own game. I saw somebody use the word coward, if anything, it's those wanting to faceroll noobs without breaking a sweat deserving of that word. If that was the gameplay I wanted, I'd dust off the NES and play duck hunt.
Exactly, that's why i don't premade. Because the only good fights are against other premades, & those often get so intense they're more like work.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 47
08-27-2011, 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebeneezergoode
Whilst their are a few "lone gunmen" of skill or least aspiring to it, they're the exception, not the rule sadly, and most Puggers are emblem tourists.

As for the "learn to play" sentiment, are you guys genuinely telling me that you enjoy running across these sort of pugs? I'm pretty annoyed when I queue up for twenty minutes or more and then we stamp our way through the other team in less than five. There's no challenge, and thus for me at least, no fun. The matches I've enjoyed most are the ones where the team's won by one or two kills, or the counter's been down low for both C&H teams. Smurfing noobs might be good for inflating the ego, I suppose, but it serves no practical purpose in improving your own game. I saw somebody use the word coward, if anything, it's those wanting to faceroll noobs without breaking a sweat deserving of that word. If that was the gameplay I wanted, I'd dust off the NES and play duck hunt.
I don't enjoy the state of their sorry performance, making One Pass cracks on vent is fine and dandy but it shouldn't be the Rule, but rather the exception. I have been, and always been willing to help anyone that actually asks what I or someone else that I was teamed with did in pvp to get the results. However, the PvEHeroes don't Ask. Instead you get comments like "GFY" or "YOU (insert insult about yourself, or your mom here)" at the end of the match, when all you've said is GG. I'm pretty sure most people, feel the same about being willing to help.

Sure everyonce in a great while someone will actually ask, but that's far from the norm. Insults are far more common. They're cowards for not asking, and cowards for bemoaning to cryptic how 'pvpers are killing this game!' rather than admitting that yes, they are doing something horribly wrong and should seek at least a little help to correct their mistakes. That or they'll throw statements down of "I have been playing since Beta I know how to play and you are cheating" or something to that effect. I think most of OPVP knows my opinion of my healing capabilities when I roll my healer, I'm almost constantly asking either Bigredjedi or someone in opvp for assistance with my healer toon after a stint of playing him. Being a healer is my weakness, and I'm seeking to improve. If the PvEHeroes would do the same, there wouldn't be One Pass Wonders in such a high state of abundance.

Cryptic didn't cater to pvpers at all. Instead they catered to the crowd that can apparently barely get through facerolling pve. And given how sorry the pve is, that's pretty astounding. The state of the playerbase in pvp is a direct result of that.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 48
08-27-2011, 09:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebeneezergoode

As for the "learn to play" sentiment, are you guys genuinely telling me that you enjoy running across these sort of pugs? I'm pretty annoyed when I queue up for twenty minutes or more and then we stamp our way through the other team in less than five. There's no challenge, and thus for me at least, no fun. The matches I've enjoyed most are the ones where the team's won by one or two kills, or the counter's been down low for both C&H teams. Smurfing noobs might be good for inflating the ego, I suppose, but it serves no practical purpose in improving your own game. I saw somebody use the word coward, if anything, it's those wanting to faceroll noobs without breaking a sweat deserving of that word. If that was the gameplay I wanted, I'd dust off the NES and play duck hunt.
Thank you for articulating what I could not.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 49
08-27-2011, 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Think about it, if you know you're not going to lose as soon as the match starts when you see certain people, you try harder. And dunno about the rest of you, but PvP is the best when both sides are nearly even in capability, not 1-sided curbstomps.

If you encourage people, it brings more people in. Else, it's not going to get any better than this and Cryptic would tell Perfect World, "Nah, lets not waste time on PvP, lets put it in other things."
Then answer me this: Are you more likely to try to figure out what happened if you got omgwtfpwned or if you lost by a thread?

If I lost by a thread I might chalk it up to timing or a crit or one of a few other things that has nothing to do with the way that I was playing. But if I got annihilated then I would seriously look at what I was doing to allow that to happen to me in the first place so that I could learn and do better.

PvP is, in every game, determined by the person or people who want to win. If a person doesn't give a **** enough to figure out why they're getting killed so easily then why should any of us agree to take steps to help them? What part of this game would benefit from us encouraging the lower tiered quality PvPers to keep doing everything wrong that they're doing? If players want to learn, the OrganizedPVP channel is there for people, the Forums are here for people, there are videos all over youtube of people PvPing. The options are there for them.

Premades against PUGs gives the advantage to premades, yes; but pugs are not down and out if there are good quality players on their side. For that matter, how do you determine what a premade is? Is it a full 5-man team? Or is is any pre-created team of any size.....because that certainly mets the definition of a premade and it hardly seems fair to force a group of 3 friends into the same boat as a 5-man tournament team if you're really going to separate people like that.....

It's a path you don't want to go on Azurian that is filled with more problems and answers nothing....
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 50
08-27-2011, 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sivar View Post
PvP is, in every game, determined by the person or people who want to win. If a person doesn't give a **** enough to figure out why they're getting killed so easily then why should any of us agree to take steps to help them? What part of this game would benefit from us encouraging the lower tiered quality PvPers to keep doing everything wrong that they're doing? If players want to learn, the OrganizedPVP channel is there for people, the Forums are here for people, there are videos all over youtube of people PvPing. The options are there for them..
This is pretty much what i have been doing and its starting to pay off , i asked for help and i got more than i asked for and im totaly loving pvp these days ,

Only last month when the opvp escort tourney happened , it was really my first high end game and boy did i learn a few things ,,, i got hammered every game only the last couple of games did i do better but still got smoked like a pound of bacon ,

I posted on the forums about my build got some advice , still it was not up to scratch , then sent some pm's and then this wonderful chap named -BigRed sorted me out BIG time , now i have this "Your dual antiproton banks- overload III deals 61401 (36397) antproton damage to XXXXX" and that made me happy ,, still got miles to go , just got to hang in there and dig away and play with the big boys and girls at this game and it will come in time , so the theory of the story is ask for help and it will all unfold in time ,and its thanks to the pvp community
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:49 AM.