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# 21
09-03-2011, 01:31 AM
I personally like how Gorn ships were presented in Starfleet Battles/Starfleet Command 1, 2 and Orion Pirates.

Big, sluggish, and armed to the teeth with more weapons pointing out of every direction than you could shake a stick at.

Why I want to make a Gorn Cruiser armed with Plasma Torpedoes
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# 22
09-03-2011, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Quiiliitiila
I don't think people you guy's realize that I love the Gorn, I admit that I did not know all of the background that you all have so forcibly displayed and it had a severe impact on my previous rant.

I however want to clear one thing up... I NEVER said the Gorn were stupid, or un-evolved, I said they were brutish and warlike; which both statements are true in one way or another. It's just that my knowledge of the Gorn at the time led me to believe that they would not be the best choice for the KDF race to have the science ships.

-Quiiliitiila
*Toasts his coffee mug at Quiiliitiila*

well then I seem to have gravely misunderstood you.
Still only two examples of an entire species is hardly a good basis to found your judgement on.
Neither are examples that are enraged because a foreign power built a base on a planet in your (their) space.

One of my favourite examples of how badly one might misjudge a species would be if an alien landed on earth or watched humans or tried to use our fiction as a basis and it watched...George C Scott's portrayal of Patton.
Not exactly the most peace-loving or most tender guy, nor the most scientifically inclined guy.
Imagine you wanted to judge all humans based him.
You'd end up with a badly distorted picture.

Same applies to the Gorn, when you go by our universe alone you have one of them who is, just like Kirk, not exactly the last to draw his fists to solve a problem either.
Compare Kirk with his science/first officer and you already have a drastically different picture of how Starfleet is made up.
Now imagine how very diffferent the Gorn captain's science officer from "Arena" could have been had he/she been shown (meaning they had had enough money for a second rubber suit).
Also please keep in mind how very different the Gorn castes are.
It's described in the Star Trek Online Novel that the people on Cestus 3 were rather dumbfolded by the appaerance of members of the tech-caste Gorn whose description said the were tall slender, muscular, dextrous (with two thumbs) and fast.
It reminded me of a cross between a Velociraptor and a Ninja Turtle.
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# 23
09-05-2011, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiiliitiila
Now I just have to put my two cents in, or sense in for that matter. Does anyone else have a problem with the GORN having the science ships? Does it make any sense for these large brutish and warlike reptiles to fly around science ships?

Gee no wonder they lost their war with the Klingons, apparently they only make science ships for their fleet!

Come on people there is a reason that the Klingon faction has no science ships, it's because the races making up the KDF have no interest in science! Especially not the Gorn!

Anyone else agree with me?

-Quiiliitiila
No, I don't agree with you. It doesn't make any sense, true, that the Gorn would be running the science vessels other than the obvious reasons of course.
The agreement the Gorn made withe the Klingons could include a limit to what types and numbers of ships they would be.
Generally a conquered race doesn't get much say in the really important business... But put them on science dutys! Now that would free up real wariors to fight!

"Come on people there is a reason that the Klingon faction has no science ships, it's because the races making up the KDF have no interest in science!"
... Really?
... How did they make their ships again? How did they make their weapons again?

"Science officer was a standard position aboard space vessels. Starfleet, Arkonian, Klingon, Romulan, and Vulcan vessels all operated with science officers. (ENT: "Dawn", "Impulse"; TOS: "Day of the Dove"; TNG: "The Next Phase"; DS9: "Soldiers of the Empire")"

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Science_Officer

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Mara
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# 24
09-06-2011, 12:52 AM
Maybe we are seeing Gorn science vessels because they are superior to klingon science vessels, and therefore in recognizing that the kdf fields the better ships.

It would be the smart thing to do.
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# 25
09-06-2011, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Idali
Maybe we are seeing Gorn science vessels because they are superior to klingon science vessels, and therefore in recognizing that the kdf fields the better ships.

It would be the smart thing to do.
That is likely the official answer. The unofficial answer, I expect, is that they didn't want to hassle with balancing a cloaking science vessel, which I still think will be AWESOME with a few buffs, so they picked a minor race with no history of cloaking technology and went with it. And now they are probably aligning the subsequent Nausicaan and Gorn ships so that players can make a character and stick with their favorite races ships the whole way through without a huge change in play style. In fact, with talk of changing the Marauder's special ability into a single hangar, the same can be said with the Orion ships.
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# 26
09-06-2011, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jermbot View Post
And now they are probably aligning the subsequent Nausicaan and Gorn ships so that players can make a character and stick with their favorite races ships the whole way through without a huge change in play style. In fact, with talk of changing the Marauder's special ability into a single hangar, the same can be said with the Orion ships.
These rationales did, in fact, factor heavily into our decisions in this area. Ultimately, we hope to be able to expand the selection of both Klingon and non-Klingon KDF ships past narrow specialties.

The initial logic for the Varanus being a Gorn vessel was that despite the Gorn appearing monstrous to human eyes, in the original episode in TOS that they appeared, the Gorn ship pwned Kirk's Enterprise hardcore with their scientific and technological superiority. The Klingons, on the other hand, have a spotty history at best with regards to honoring scientific achievements among their own people, as per episodes in Enterprise, for example.

With the Varanus at the top tier, the first priority for Gorn ships then becomes to make it possible for a player to engage in that playstyle vertically through their character's career. Once that has been done, then when we can start looking into broadening the types of non-Klingon KDF ships at all tiers.
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# 27
09-06-2011, 01:37 PM
Uh, since KDF no longer has 24 levels ... how does that affect the new ships being worked on?

It's all very confusing right now.
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# 28
09-06-2011, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by superchum View Post
Uh, since KDF no longer has 24 levels ... how does that affect the new ships being worked on?

It's all very confusing right now.
The new ships being added are at the Commander and Captain rank, so no worries.
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# 29
09-06-2011, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by superchum View Post
Uh, since KDF no longer has 24 levels ... how does that affect the new ships being worked on?
The new ships are at Commander and Captain, so this just means that as a KDF character you could acquire out of the gate an Orion, Nausicaan or Gorn ship. So, if you wanted to you could fly a pure Science ship or carrier for your whole career.
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# 30
09-06-2011, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Heretic
The new ships are at Commander and Captain, so this just means that as a KDF character you could acquire out of the gate an Orion, Nausicaan or Gorn ship. So, if you wanted to you could fly a pure Science ship or carrier for your whole career.
I was wonder why During the stoked interview only Command and Captain ships where mention. The F2P KDF changes make sense.

Well I would prefer a Full PVE KDF faction before the game went F2P. I know deep down that it would not happen. This new move to start 25 makes more sense and covers a major concern I had for the game.
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