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# 171 Tribble Access?
09-20-2011, 11:14 AM
I must have missed something. I'm sure it is easily clarified.

How exactly do we get to the Tribble F2P server for testing?

Thanks...
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# 172
09-21-2011, 02:18 PM
I believe that one player already posted elsewhere that Access to Tribble would remain only for Gold, or Paid Members?? I don't recall specifically where though....
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# 173
09-22-2011, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Cleto_Deadman
How exactly do we get to the Tribble F2P server for testing?
Check Here: http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=134794
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# 174
09-23-2011, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cleto_Deadman
I must have missed something. I'm sure it is easily clarified.

How exactly do we get to the Tribble F2P server for testing?

Thanks...
Once Tribble is reconfigured for F2P Cryptic will choose people to test the beta. Until then we wait.
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# 175 Sub help
09-23-2011, 05:51 AM
Right basically i need to know as sto is becoming free to play now Can i cancel my Lifetime membership And get a refund or will crypic only allow me to cancel my sub and not give me a refund? I need help here urgently,

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# 176
09-23-2011, 11:02 AM
Refund? Did you say refund? Is this guy asking for Refund? lol (reminds me of the football coach and the question about Superbowl)
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# 177
09-23-2011, 11:35 AM
G'day All,

I will start by saying I have only just started my STO experiance (Tutorial Mission)

I realy feel that the Gold/Silver matrix presented to us is a real fail to those that sub and LTS. There is Zero incentive to got to Gold. I have come from 4 other MMOs that have done the upgrade to F2P so I feel I have a good idea of what fails and what succeds reguarding sub types.

Firstly I feel there needs to be more than just Gold/Silver. I can think of 4 diferent sub types of which only 3 are realy nesecery. LTS, P2P, "I have spent money on this Game" and Freeloader.
LTS and P2P can be wraped up in one but I think there is room to list them seperatly. But basicaly thay are as now, unlimited content access.
"I have spent money to play." is for retiring P2P accounts and for those that have actualy payed for C-Store Points to spend in game, not for people that have earned then in game for free or gained them any other way than spending their own hard earned money on points.
And of course Freeloader is for those that havent spent a dime on the game. They realy needd to be treated differently to those that have.

Now Dungeons and Dragons Online (DDO) and Lord of the Rings Online (LotRO) realy got this balance right between accounts. I also payed Pirates of the Burning Sea (PotBS) and they did prety much what STO is doing here. Well a little more actualy. And, they basicaly failed. Thye went F2P because numbers where dting fast, and sure they got alot of new subs for doing it but money did not increace, the bame got boring as those numbers turned out to be current players multisubbing for crafting benifets anf canceling their subs doe to not needing to pay to play the content thay already had access to. So moral to the story is do not give away your entire game for free, hold back and make the free players work for end game content.

Now for Ideas. (Based on previous experiances.)
Missions. There is no way these should all be free. No way what so ever. This is the purpose of playing the game (That and PvP). DDO gives away all content for the first 3-4 levels of your characters life and then sparadic bits here and there progressivly getting less and less per level up to L16, Max level in the game is L20. You buy the rest and the best missions in pack eather associated to a story arc or connected to a location. They have heaps of them. LotRO is a game where you travel the land and is broken up in to maps, Each map is bought and you have access to all content on those maps, They give away the 3 starting maps and the 4th map along the story arcs path. They also give the entire main story arc away for free, which travels most maps and you can PvE freely anywhere you want. Still lots to buy. Oh and they also have defence stile group instances and raids that you have to buy. So lots of content to get. And plenty of people willing to pay for it after the hours of fun the first 4 maps give along with the 2 free skirmishes. PotBS gave everything away, not gust the main story arc but every thing and there was plenty of opertunity to break down all the sub missions in to sets based on their location. Just compleat fail on their behalf.

Now after taking a skimm through the C-Store I did not find the content to plentyful. Not much there at all realy in comparrison to the other games. So I do not see my self or others buying much from there in the long run. Especialy if they are makeing more of the races free and even more unlocable through ingame achievements. Unlocking ingame only realy works if there are multipule servers availabe to play on (as in a list to select from at login, unlike STO) as the unlock should only be for that server and therefor still giving an incentive to actualy buy the item for access to all servers.

So not all reaces should be free or unlocable, infact, as there are only 3 classes, a majority of them should have to be bought. And, Alien should definatly be LTS/P2P only. Also some form of multiclassiing for them.

Limitations on Cosmetic slot, Bags, Banks, Money are common amungst everyone and are normaly quite diferent between sub types, LotRO for example Freeloaders only get 2 characters, are caped at 2 gold and no bank, "I have Payed" get an aditional character, are caped at 5 gold and no bank, P2P have access to 10 characters, unlimited gold, Bank and they even get a wardrobe just for their clothing items. See the massive diferances there.

Reguarding downgrading from P2P to "I have Payed" you keep everything you have unlocked and everything yoy have bought, EVERYTHING. If by chance you find yourself in a situation where you have access to less character slots than you have actual built characters they you will have access to the first characters used up untill you reach you character limit. Others will stay on your account but will be locked to you untill you buy the extra slots needed for them. Or you re sub.

I like you do not want this game to fall flat on its face because of this. So I say they realy need to rethink how they are going to do this. And do not be affraid to charge us for lots of things cause we will buy it. Some will buy it all. Oh and nomatter what you do make sure the total cost to buy everything in the game is more than the cost of LTS or there is no point what so ever and they should get the difference refunded to them even if it is in the way of C-Store points.

I think I have said everything I have to say. I am porbably mission some vital point but it is 4:30 am and I have just spent 2 hours reading this thread. I am looking forward to the progression to F2P. I just hope they do it right.

Good Morrow everyone.
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# 178
09-23-2011, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue_Fire View Post
If you've got questions and are looking for some clarifications concerning Star Trek Online's transition to a free-to-play model, this is the place to ask them.
So... a lot of people are talking about F2P (free-to-play) business model encouraging a P2W (pay-to-win) mentality, both in players and the developer studio itself. How does Cryptic intend to combat this phenomenon?
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# 179
09-23-2011, 01:08 PM
can i access my toon on another computer with the f2p model? like if i were to download the game on another computer somewhere else could i log in with my subbed toons name and have access to that account on that computer?
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# 180
09-23-2011, 04:38 PM
Please don't turn STO into a Cash Shop W****! You want to point at games, how about Guild Wars? Buy the box, play free forever! Vanity items in the cash shop, new chapters every 6 months. Now Guild Wars 2, same business model. Over 7 million copies of Guild Wars sold! The cash shop brings in money because people love the game, love the content, and are buying costumes and such because they WANT to support the game!

Turn STO into another eastern cash shop, pay to win, pay for everything game, and I'm gone.

I'm very concerned STO might go this route with the PW buyout. I've played PWI, here's just two examples of how ridiculous they're cash shop is:

Mounts cost between $5 for the lowest (and slowest) up to $40 for the most expensive. But no mount is at it's highest movement speed when you buy it, you must buy speed upgrades. Speed upgrades raise your mounts travel speed by 0.5 for each upgrade. A 1.5 speed upgrade (the max you'll need to buy for any mount) will run you an additional $110.00.

Costumes are sold at varying prices from $5 on up, each costume piece is randomly colored at purchase time, so the odds of you getting every piece the same color is very remote. You can buy a 10 pack of dye for a little cheaper than the specific colored ones, but they are mystery dyes that will again color things randomly. At a fluctuating price of about $2 - $5 (don't know if it stabilized, left that game long ago) per dye, you'd think oh, a 5 piece costume $10 -$25, nope. Each piece requires anywhere from 4 to 15 or more dyes to color 1 item!
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