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# 21
09-06-2011, 04:31 PM
The Federation levelling experience leaves a lot to be desired. The Romulan arc was about the only one that truly hooked me, with the others there were a few episodes here & there but other wise it's all pretty forgettable.

Hell I admit levelling a Klingon can get boring, but I don't see the allure in a half assed questing experience. I'd rather they add GOOD quests slowly & build it up like they have been doing...... ever so slowly. Cutting the levelling experience in half just makes Klingons more accessible & lowers the grind to cap. They already level faster as it is due the the nature of their content. So while it's not perfect it is better then what we have now.

If we keep getting decent content & more people start playing Klingons there may come a time when there actually is a monetary incentive to fully flesh out the faction, but at this point in time that's just not going to happen. Now if the Romulans actually launch fully fleshed out then we may have a real reason to grab a pitch fork, but I can't see that happening any more then I see us getting a full questing experience.
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# 22
09-06-2011, 05:08 PM
I honestly don't know what everybody's problem is with this. Seriously you guys? I have to say the worst part about this game is leveling up, the enjoyment is almost entirely at end game. KDF side this is especially true. The hardest, most drawn out, most boring part of leveling a klink is Start to LTC 7, and now you'll get to skip all of that, start at CO5, and HALF the time it takes to level a klink, and all you guys can do is doom and gloom about it???? I think this is great for the faction. first off, myself like many others fully leveled a fed toon b4 ever looking at the kdf, sure a few might like to start a klink first, but think of it this way, as you level your fed, you're also leveling your klink thru to 25!!! They've cut in half the grind to level a klink, sure its an easy way out, but for all those players who just can't stand the boring grind of nebula missions while the PvP Q's never pop, now have a great place to start. maybe it'll never change, maybe they'll have great early game content down the road and reset the faction to starting at level 1, but for now this IS A GOOD THING.

I may be biased because I ONLY PVP, so PVE content is irrelevant to me,but theres no PVE content for klinks at those low levels, so who cares? I just can't imagine having a problem with having my leveling time cut in half, in a game such as this where the end game is the most rewarding.

I think so many of us are used to seeing the words "kdf" and "delayed" or "nerfed" or "cancelled" in the same sentence that we've forgotten to read the rest of the sentence any more. Think about this, its a good thing for now, now eat some gagh, drink some bloodwine, and leave the QQ'n for the FEDS!
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# 23
09-06-2011, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cleron
I'd rather they add GOOD quests slowly & build it up like they have been doing...... ever so slowly.
So, 9 missions (excluding FE's as they are faction agnostic) per 18 months....slow enuf for ya?

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Originally Posted by Cleron
Cutting the levelling experience in half just makes Klingons more accessible & lowers the grind to cap.
And then again, making players level a Fed toon halfway to cap (and experience the 'brighter side' side first) makes Klingons equally less accessible. They kind of cancel each other out.

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They already level faster as it is due the the nature of their content. So while it's not perfect it is better then what we have now.
We do not level any faster at all, in the slightest. And no, it's not a perfect situation, it's worse.

The point of F2P is to bring more people to STO. These newbs will play the more popular (in-game as well as in common knowledge) faction first, for half the level progression, THEN be given the choice of switching to a faction that's still (after nearly 2 years) waiting on new content and admittedly less populated. (Fewer people to play with). Keep in mind, the KDF will still only have 9 exclusive missions, and the ETA on new content is 'not even possible' at this point in developing the F2Psystem.

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Originally Posted by Cleron
If we keep getting decent content & more people start playing Klingons there may come a time when there actually is a monetary incentive to fully flesh out the faction, but at this point in time that's just not going to happen.
Slow your roll- the KDF has to START getting decent content regularly, before it can KEEP getting new content regularly.
And if you think more people will start playing KDF immediately after level 25-Fed side, after investing in 1/2 of that character's progression, buying Fed stuff in the C-store (we're talking time and money investments, important things) just to play a toon that skips half it's progression the minute you log in-it's delusional.
They already have a toon 1/2 way finished. On a fully functional faction.

The system has to support Klingons in order to draw players to it in order to obtain the monetary incentive to flesh out the faction, which it does not.

It's the same old 'no content til new players / no players til new content' continuum we've had since Open Beta, and the F2P system does absolutely nothing to change that fact.
The only difference is the KDF has to wait longer for new players, and longer for new content.

And right now, that's the only way the KDF could get any worse.
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# 24
09-06-2011, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
I honestly don't know what everybody's problem is with this.
Their "fix" for the lack of KDF content was to cut away half of the game for them and just condense what little content they had already made into 26 levels instead of 51.

They have said for a long time that they intended to improve the faction. Instead, they intend to cut it into pieces. Instead of doing work to develop the faction, they cut it down.

It's not a very good show of their ability to develop a video game. But hey, it's not like they've made any good Fed content lately either.
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# 25
09-06-2011, 06:05 PM
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Their "fix" for the lack of KDF content was to cut away half of the game for them and just condense what little content they had already made into 26 levels instead of 51.

They have said for a long time that they intended to improve the faction. Instead, they intend to cut it into pieces. Instead of doing work to develop the faction, they cut it down.

It's not a very good show of their ability to develop a video game. But hey, it's not like they've made any good Fed content lately either.
Again tho, for NOW, whats the problem? Yes content needs to be added, and improved upon, but FOR NOW...the hardest part for someone leveling a KDF is getting thru those first 20 levels. I've heard soo many times from players that just can't stand the grind, the monotony of it all, and Our roster is full of fleetie fed transfers sitting at LTC 2.

I AGREE that its the easy way out, I AGREE that they should still make early game content, and FINISH THE KDF, but what I"M saying is, that for NOW, this will IMPROVE KDF POPULATIONS BY HALVING THE LEVELING REQUIREMENTS.

To be completely honest with you all though, I'd be perfectly ok with the federation being the primary faction, and they release the rommies, and cardies at a level 25 + as well, make them kind of Subfactions as it were. But I'm not one who enjoys leveling.
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# 26
09-06-2011, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
Again tho, for NOW, whats the problem? Yes content needs to be added, and improved upon, but FOR NOW...the hardest part for someone leveling a KDF is getting thru those first 20 levels. I've heard soo many times from players that just can't stand the grind, the monotony of it all, and Our roster is full of fleetie fed transfers sitting at LTC 2.

I AGREE that its the easy way out, I AGREE that they should still make early game content, and FINISH THE KDF, but what I"M saying is, that for NOW, this will IMPROVE KDF POPULATIONS BY HALVING THE LEVELING REQUIREMENTS.

To be completely honest with you all though, I'd be perfectly ok with the federation being the primary faction, and they release the rommies, and cardies at a level 25 + as well, make them kind of Subfactions as it were. But I'm not one who enjoys leveling.
We won't be seeing any third or fourth faction for a long, long time. They won't give us any type of a release date on the Klingon update in season or date format. That says to me they haven't started it yet. So, I wouldn't expect any other factions for a long, long time.
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# 27
09-06-2011, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
Again tho, for NOW, whats the problem?
The problem is I no longer trust a word they post. For now? That's the same sad song they've sung the entire lifetime of the game.

That's a pretty big problem.

I don't believe DStahl. I don't believe Stormshade.

I took DStahl's advice and looked at his track record with the KDF. It's bad. It's really bad.

For now? I can't believe any klingon who's been playing this game for more than a few months would think they actually intend to make good on any promises to actually do something for the KDF.

And even ones who have only been playing recently, have enough evidence to be skeptical (HarPeng torpedoes for example).
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# 28
09-06-2011, 07:30 PM
You do realize that everything promised for KDF was pre-merger right? The last year has hit Cryptic hard. They were forced to do things that they would not of done if Atari wouldn't of sold of Cryptic. You guys need to stop holding a grudges about the lack of anything from the last year, because every part of the game lacks content, KDF is just worse off than others. Chillax and let them develop this faction.
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# 29
09-06-2011, 07:49 PM
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You do realize that everything promised for KDF was pre-merger right? The last year has hit Cryptic hard. They were forced to do things that they would not of done if Atari wouldn't of sold of Cryptic. You guys need to stop holding a grudges about the lack of anything from the last year, because every part of the game lacks content, KDF is just worse off than others. Chillax and let them develop this faction.
Same old tired song. Definitely tired of hearing it. The same people telling the same story. I'm not sure why you'd buy it this time. DStahl told us to look at his track record. And his track record with the KDF stinks.

The latest move cuts the KDF in half.

Chillax and let them develop this faction? They haven't developed it to date. Why would the ever start doing so now?
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# 30
09-06-2011, 08:29 PM
Expect KDF space to be quiet/quieter from now on.... move along, nothing to see/play here.
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