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Lt. Commander
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I am wondering since I have 3/4 out of the Borg STF gear on most of my toons if its worth it? Specifically talking about escorts I notice that most of the best PvPers in the game do not use any borg gear, either that or they are hiding the visuals.

So I'm wondering is using the borg gear really worth it or is it better to get that purple mk XI deflector dish that really works to helping your science and engineering heals

Any thoughts?
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# 2
09-11-2011, 05:15 PM
Some show it others tuck it in.
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# 3
09-11-2011, 05:42 PM
I swear by 3/4 of the Borg set (specifically: console, deflector, and engines).

Especially on Escorts since they're short on heals. That 53% hull regen and TSS with 20%ish resist are quite handy.

The Borg procs are far, far more useful than the tiny bonuses to your abilities you'd get from using other gear.
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# 4
09-11-2011, 06:10 PM
I keep mine tucked in. Like a responsible Captain
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# 5
09-11-2011, 06:40 PM
The STOked boys did a Aegis vs Borg comparison a ways back, which more or less weighed in with the opinion that Aegis Shields and Engines with Borg Deflector and Console gave the best of both worlds for procs.

Having said this, that opinion was tendered before the Covariant shields' inherent cap was reduced, so I am uncertain how their math would stack up after the fact.

I was playing with Regenerative shields a little while back on my Tactical cruiser, and I have to say I was enjoying it a hell of a lot more than I was with my Aegis shields. It goes without saying that tactical officers don't have the same tanking and recovery ability as engineers, so I really enjoyed the ability to rapidly restore some shield protection when things got tight. At the very least, it gave me the time I needed to hit the Red Matter Capacitor and Evasive Maneuvers to get the heck out of dodge and weapons range.
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# 6
09-11-2011, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosco1776 View Post
I notice that most of the best PvPers in the game do not use any borg gear, either that or they are hiding the visuals.
Uh, pretty much all of us use 3/4 Borg, we just disable visuals for the hell of it.
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# 7
09-11-2011, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Koppenflak
The STOked boys did a Aegis vs Borg comparison a ways back, which more or less weighed in with the opinion that Aegis Shields and Engines with Borg Deflector and Console gave the best of both worlds for procs.

Having said this, that opinion was tendered before the Covariant shields' inherent cap was reduced, so I am uncertain how their math would stack up after the fact.

I was playing with Regenerative shields a little while back on my Tactical cruiser, and I have to say I was enjoying it a hell of a lot more than I was with my Aegis shields. It goes without saying that tactical officers don't have the same tanking and recovery ability as engineers, so I really enjoyed the ability to rapidly restore some shield protection when things got tight. At the very least, it gave me the time I needed to hit the Red Matter Capacitor and Evasive Maneuvers to get the heck out of dodge and weapons range.
yeah...like the STOKed boys are authorities on anything pvp related.
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# 8
09-11-2011, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosco1776 View Post
Specifically talking about escorts I notice that most of the worst* :p PvPers in the game do not use any borg gear, either that or they are hiding the visuals.?

Believe me, they are hiding their visuals from time to time. The green army drab pains their eyes.

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Originally Posted by Bosco1776 View Post
I am wondering since I have 3/4 out of the Borg STF gear on most of my toons if its worth it? Specifically talking about escorts I notice that most of the best PvPers in the game do not use any borg gear, either that or they are hiding the visuals.

So I'm wondering is using the borg gear really worth it or is it better to get that purple mk XI deflector dish that really works to helping your science and engineering heals

Any thoughts?
I bought a Regenerative Shield array MK XI with [reg]x3.
It has a little more regeneration the the borg, but the capacity is kinda lower.
A+15% resistance to plasma (Not that it really matters in PvP)
+5 to shields which will make up for the small difference in reg, and adds a tiny bit of SDR (resistance)
And lets not forget you get all the fancy bonusses with the sets.


Take your pick...

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Originally Posted by Koppenflak
The STOked boys did a Aegis vs Borg comparison a ways back, which more or less weighed in with the opinion that Aegis Shields and Engines with Borg Deflector and Console gave the best of both worlds for procs.

Having said this, that opinion was tendered before the Covariant shields' inherent cap was reduced, so I am uncertain how their math would stack up after the fact.

I was playing with Regenerative shields a little while back on my Tactical cruiser, and I have to say I was enjoying it a hell of a lot more than I was with my Aegis shields. It goes without saying that tactical officers don't have the same tanking and recovery ability as engineers, so I really enjoyed the ability to rapidly restore some shield protection when things got tight. At the very least, it gave me the time I needed to hit the Red Matter Capacitor and Evasive Maneuvers to get the heck out of dodge and weapons range.
Yes, that episode is old, way back and I dont even think most of the mechanics work like they do now. That episode was released at the time that Auxiliary power still had effect on turn rate, etcetera.

With plain calculation, but excluding all other variables which are happening in an arena fight and all the calculations; Borg will outperform the Aegis after approximately 30 seconds both from full cap and being shot on with sustained firepower (Yet not lethal) and from there on.

Thus in easy words: If you have the skills and stuff to keep yourself alive for the first 30~ seconds, you will have more profit if the borg shield in the long term.

Again I know this is nowhere near the real world calculation but that is almost impossible to calculate all variables. Jorf stated it before in another thread, the calculation will restart everytime your shields are to max. So everytime you are theoretically on a disadvantage every first 30 seconds the shields are fully restored.

But also do take into account this can be the reversed way around. Image you fighting a team with a full set of Charge particle bursts. (two persons using CBP3 i.e. fully specced). Both Aegis and Borg shields will be completely drained if done right. But then the calculation will be totally messed up because this can happen in the first few seconds you've engaged battle. So in fact in such situations you wish you had your borg shields even more.

The borg shield just handles steady and constant/sustained DPS much better. Cap shields can handle more burst better when its 100% full. Thats it.

- Covariants will have more advantage in the short run (burst attack). But because of the low regen, if your shields are totally stripped off you are almost totally dependent on external healing. (The more healing the team needs, the worse it gets in the long run as well)
- Borg will have less capacity to protect itself from high dmg bursts from tacts. But will have more advantages in the long run. Also you will have more advantage in high shield drain situations (CPB, Tachyon beam, and so on.

There is no such thing as overhealing a person with a Borg shield, sure you cannot heal him to over-cap his maximum capacity, but nor will that happen with someone using a High capacity shield, Even those get overhealed. Healing is not always about putting someone back to 100%, its about keep regenerating their shield (And give it resistance). Transfer shield strength does it, keeps doing it even if the target is on heavy fire. Extend shields does it. And with the help of that extra regen (more then 2x as fast as covariants, it will only help the victims survivability even more, and you have the best of both world heals in a team, both internal and externally. In my oppinion, and in most situations, covariant is overrated and are too dependent.

Lets face it:
4725~ Cap with Borg and about 246 reg / 6 sec
vs
6237~ Cap with Aegis and about 118 reg / 6 sec


The pure calculation itself will be self explanatory.
Enough abilities to compensate for the slightly lower cap when u really need it.

I know people will disagree, thats fine. This is my theory and Ive seen it in practice.
I also believe that Covariants are useful in some situations. Its also a good strategy for ambushing BoP's with hit and run situations. So its not a completely useless shield.
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# 9
09-12-2011, 12:08 AM
i only display the visuals on my borg shield cuz green nacelles are the biz
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# 10
09-12-2011, 04:17 AM
Why do you show your ship components? I'm a PVP P.U.G. (Professional Undefeated Gamer) and I say that it's always better hiding them because the surprise is your main weapon! Anyway, during a battle a Cov3cap is useful when two damned Bops launch a sudden Alpha strike against your poor painful rear, because its superior capacity assures the survival, but if in your team there aren't good healers in the long time you'll be in trouble and in great need to run away seeking to recharge it. But I agree the Borg shield sustains itself very well in nearly every case...
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