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# 51
09-20-2011, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dvsaris View Post
In my experiences very few players in the PuG environment are watching out for anyone but themselves. Besides, with saucer sep providing extra power to weapons and engines sitting there passing the heals around isn't making best use of the ship. If you want a heal boat a Star Cruiser with the extra Sci slot is a much better option IMO.
In the old days, playing KDF, this was never the case.
Now I do see it more often.
It can be fixed with little effort and expenditure of leadership.
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# 52
09-20-2011, 10:42 AM
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In the old days, playing KDF, this was never the case.
Now I do see it more often.
It can be fixed with little effort and expenditure of leadership.
I've tried, really I have, but it's hard enough to get the random yokels in PuGs to do basic things like stick together and focus on one target, little lone back eachother up. I tried having several heals to pass around for a bit... ended up spending them all on others then I'd get pounced and pop because nobody would come to my rescue when 3 or 4 of the enemy ganged up on me. So I decided I'm gonna watch out for #1 first.

I've got a BOff trained in Extend III that I can swap in for my Warp Plasma if I get with a PuG that actually wants to play as a team. Otherwise I'm just going to focus on surviving myself.
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# 53
09-20-2011, 10:51 AM
This is why I'm kinda glad the kling community is so small. Most everyone supports. And yes, focus fire alpha strikes when your negvar buddy's in trouble is support too.
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# 54
09-20-2011, 11:04 AM
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And yes, focus fire alpha strikes when your negvar buddy's in trouble is support too.
Exactly this. If you've got a cruiser that can really tank it's an easy way to take the heat off of your teammates, especially if your teammates can cloak. More people targeting the cruiser means less people targeting the escorts... so they are free to make their cannon runs.
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# 55
09-20-2011, 11:15 AM
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If you've got a cruiser that can really tank it's an easy way to take the heat off of your teammates
No it's not. I will grav well + SS1 + aux to ID + Evasive + warp poo on the opening run, and while the whole fed ball's going WTF my kling friends target the escorts one by one.

Just because you're a cruiser tank doesn't mean that people will focus fire on you. I subnuc + shockwave + alpha your escort buddy that was trying to get away from the warp poo with omega, and now you're left:

1. Shorthanded
2. Totally lacking burst dps (no, BO1 or 2 alone is not escort level burst)
3. A swarm of sci bops, tac bops, kling cruisers who supported their teammates and now look at the remaining target

Klings had the initiative, but put ID on yourself + extend shields + hull heals to your escort teammate, and he SHOULD reciprocate by killing things. If he's not one of those, get a friend, or pvp enough so you know who are the good escorts.
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# 56
09-20-2011, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Husanak View Post
And this is why you fail. lol

Pugs are terrible because of this attitude. I can get a bit surly sometimes when I pug which isn't good.

However sometimes I heal my teammates... and guess what they start doing the same. Sometimes just sometimes that's enough to... umm I don't know too wIn. lol

Cruisers that fly around with dual EPTS might as well go jump somewhere... I feel bad and hate to admit this but I warped my escort out of a pug last night... after flying around living through a good min of focus fire with only my own heals. Yes I was playing with a bunch of gready cruisers. How do you fly past 3 cruisers all at 100 hull and 100 shields and get NOTHING to help you out... this attitude right there. They where all busy trying to beam someone... and after I went down none of them lasted longer then about 10 seconds. Now I should have stuck it out and been nice and tried to give my teammates an education... but I was tiered and I was not in the mood for... hearing All I have is EPTS 3 DEM and RSP.

OP... if you continue too fly a cruiser don't listen to the EPTS 3 x 2 advice... its bad. If you are not keeping people around you alive you die. No cruisers don't have to be the main healer... but when I out heal them in an escort they ARE doing it wrong.
Two EPtS is okay, if not required. It just shouldn't be EPtS3!
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# 57
09-20-2011, 05:34 PM
People can play this game in whatever manner they want. That being said, if they play it selfishly they have no room to complain about what anyone else is doing.
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# 58
09-20-2011, 05:58 PM
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I've tried, really I have, but it's hard enough to get the random yokels in PuGs to do basic things like stick together and focus on one target, little lone back eachother up. I tried having several heals to pass around for a bit... ended up spending them all on others then I'd get pounced and pop because nobody would come to my rescue when 3 or 4 of the enemy ganged up on me. So I decided I'm gonna watch out for #1 first.

I've got a BOff trained in Extend III that I can swap in for my Warp Plasma if I get with a PuG that actually wants to play as a team. Otherwise I'm just going to focus on surviving myself.
I could be one of those random yokels.

as I have issue in some of those areas curently. Helpfully pointed out by many of teh finer players in the PvP community*.

You may wish to disable your share power choice** under the options menu so as to not autotarget off-self everytime you use TSS, HE, etc and there-by inadvertanly miss yourself at a vital moment.

Some consider it a rudeness to not cross-heal ( as do I, most cetainly on KDF side) in PvP. you can still target your teammates both manually by clickie or use of targeting keybinds to throw heals to a friend.
Though it takes pratice.

In older days gone-bye the KDF'ers (and PvP'ers in general) were known for thier team work. Its still exists today though some (like myself today) have slacked in iether being new to the concept or rusty in skills.

* PvP players, A community that cares. brought to you by a competitive spirit production.
** Know this now. Doing so completely diasbles you Tab-target ability towards NPCs. you will not target NPCS any way but manually.
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# 59
09-21-2011, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dvsaris View Post
In my experiences very few players in the PuG environment are watching out for anyone but themselves. Besides, with saucer sep providing extra power to weapons and engines sitting there passing the heals around isn't making best use of the ship. If you want a heal boat a Star Cruiser with the extra Sci slot is a much better option IMO.
Which is exactly why even a PugTeam (such as what we rolled last night. CAC, SOB, and one Beagles :p ) absolutely destroys 'pure pug' without even a blink of an eye.

Double EPTS3 is Horrible. For one thing EPTS3's resist is not -that- much better than 2 to merit a second copy of it, especially when the other choice is Extend Shields2, ET3, or ASIF2, or hell even RSP2 Secondly, that Failaxy of yours with it's saucer seperated? Is a prime Victim type target. It's slow (even in seperated mode) has less shields and Hp. and those double EPTS3s? Are still instagibable with Sub Nuc.

This is how I typically handle that kind of Failaxy with my sci. Step one, Tell one of the escorts to start hammering. He activates EPTS3. I subnuc it off, pop an aux battery, Sensor Scan, Target Shield2, and Tykens 3. In roughly 6 seconds he's completely shield less. Then the escort drops the hammer and he's dead before he could even say "ZOMG I SHOULD HEAL".

Or conversely, we'll completely ignore him as he's going to be a Non Threat even at full guns. He's not going to provide adequate healing and just wipe his team mates off the board. He's not really a tank, he's definitely not a healer and he's definitely not pumping damage in a Failaxy.

the Galaxy is a terrible damage dealer, the separation is really just a big "Shoot Me Now" sign, and it's a terrible healer.

I fully recommend going Assault Cruiser, or better still Excelsior if your aim is to be a solo damage dealer. The former is a great tank and good death dealer, while the latter is a so good tank, (when properly built) and a Great death dealer. AC's are more agile than the Failaxy, and just need aux to damp rather than a stupid saucer separation . Excelsiors have that LTC tac slot which is just juicy for HY3, CRF2, or BO3.
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# 60
09-21-2011, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mavairo
Double EPTS3 is Horrible. For one thing EPTS3's resist is not -that- much better than 2 to merit a second copy of it, especially when the other choice is Extend Shields2, ET3, or ASIF2, or hell even RSP2 Secondly, that Failaxy of yours with it's saucer seperated? Is a prime Victim type target. It's slow (even in seperated mode) has less shields and Hp. and those double EPTS3s? Are still instagibable with Sub Nuc.
Hush, you. You'll scare away all of the 2x EPtS 3 Tac/AC drivers :p
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