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# 101
09-28-2011, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesun
There is an alternative view/theory of the universe with no need for curved space, a light speed limit or dark matter with a few blackholes sprinkled on the top, it's called the Electric Universe.
It's good to look at alternate theories, but spacetime curvature has been verified recently by Gravity Probe B.
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# 102
09-28-2011, 09:54 AM
the realife Tachyon particle?
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# 103
09-28-2011, 09:55 AM
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I think the problem is never published anything till after some one else had and then mostly to claim they had stolen it from him.
That's only half his problem. The other half, which I touched on a few pages back, is his habit of claiming inventions did outstanding things when he was alone, which they could never be made to do again. Things which violated what we though (and in most cases still think) we knew about science, and he often refused to drop the matter - sometimes for years - after embarrassing himself trying to demonstrate it.

Science has a nice, permissive set of rules. Follow the rules, and you can make outrageous claims, and still be taken seriously until peer review flops, after which if you drop the subject you still get to keep your credibility. The rules can basically be summed up as 1. Publish, 2. Peer review. No rules are sacred, either - last year some people in England thought they'd disproven thermodynamics. Turns out they fell into the same trap that unwary undergrads sometimes do, but they're still getting funding for their programs because they dropped the matter rather sheepishly after being corrected.
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# 104
09-28-2011, 10:51 AM
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That's only half his problem. The other half, which I touched on a few pages back, is his habit of claiming inventions did outstanding things when he was alone, which they could never be made to do again. Things which violated what we though (and in most cases still think) we knew about science, and he often refused to drop the matter - sometimes for years - after embarrassing himself trying to demonstrate it.

Science has a nice, permissive set of rules. Follow the rules, and you can make outrageous claims, and still be taken seriously until peer review flops, after which if you drop the subject you still get to keep your credibility. The rules can basically be summed up as 1. Publish, 2. Peer review. No rules are sacred, either - last year some people in England thought they'd disproven thermodynamics. Turns out they fell into the same trap that unwary undergrads sometimes do, but they're still getting funding for their programs because they dropped the matter rather sheepishly after being corrected.
Just like racing. You are not pushing the envelope if you do not crash once in a while. That's what is nice about science. You present your crazy notion and if it does not pass review you man up take your lumps and move forward to let time sweep the mess under the carpet.
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# 105
09-28-2011, 11:41 AM
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Now, a big object like a planet will have an uncertainty of its location of . . . about 0.2 nanometers.
Actually, its less than that. You have to take in to account all the uncertainties of each particle of a macroscopic object, which will produce unfathomably small numbers really quick.
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# 106
09-28-2011, 11:52 AM
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they will never unify quantum with Einstein.
They will, but you're thinking about the wrong way. Gravity is not a force, it is the curvature of space due to the presence of energy. Now, this space curvature may look like a force, but its not.
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gravity isn't strong enough to hold our galaxy together(hence dark matter)
Misconception. The apparent energy of the galaxy does not produce enough gravity to hold the galaxy together, hence the postulation of unapparent energy (dark matter).
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this is a force infinity more powerful than gravity and the any nuclear force combined.
Hyperbole is not warranted. The EM force is about 1.22 x 10^36 times stronger than gravity.
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# 107
09-28-2011, 12:50 PM
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They will, but you're thinking about the wrong way. Gravity is not a force, it is the curvature of space due to the presence of energy. Now, this space curvature may look like a force, but its not.Misconception. The apparent energy of the galaxy does not produce enough gravity to hold the galaxy together, hence the postulation of unapparent energy (dark matter).Hyperbole is not warranted. The EM force is about 1.22 x 10^36 times stronger than gravity.
Sigma cannot be ignored. The stars at the outer edge of galaxies move too fast for any galaxy's total mass, (gravity). Thus weirdness like dark mater arises. Funny thing is Relativity's predictions of gravitational lensing has suggested there might be something to this dark matter silliness. Dismissal of dark matter as hyperbole could lead the the biting of the back of ones own neck.
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# 108
09-28-2011, 12:57 PM
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Sigma cannot be ignored. The stars at the outer edge of galaxies move too fast for a galaxy's total gravity.
And how is this different from what I said?
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Dismissal of dark matter as hyperbole could lead the the biting of the back of ones own neck.
You should read my post in its initial frame. Quoting me removes what I quoted, and the hyperbole remark applies to the other guy who said the EM force is infinitely greater than gravity.
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# 109
09-28-2011, 12:57 PM
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The expected time is around 2464 nanoseconds, so 60 nanoseconds is fairly significant. At least when you're expected upper bound is literally written in stone.
It could also be this, Light travels at diffrent speeds depending on the media it is passing through. Nuterinos do not contact normal matter, and would be unaffected by the media they are passing through. Although this is very promissing. I have been trying to prove the Einstienian law only works in the Macro universe, and that the laws are fundementaly diffrent at subatomic levels.

(Great at particle physics, bad at spelling .
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# 110
09-28-2011, 01:00 PM
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It could also be this, Light travels at diffrent speeds depending on the media it is passing through.
The 2464 Nanoseconds is the upper bound how fast the distance between the Neutrino source and the Neutrino detector can be traversed by light. 2464 nanoseconds is how fast light could travel that distance in a vacuum.
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