I've been asking around and I have heard complaints of people feeling forced or coerced into purchasing from the C-store. But my original purchase mentions nothing about being forced to pay additional money for content beyond game purchase, subscription, and the expenses required to connect to the internet.

Things like respec tokens should just be part of the game.
New ships that are better then available ships creates attitudeude where in order to upgrade, the player NEEDS to buy from the C-store.

Charecter and bank slots are a bit grey, the sale mentioned nothing about how many of those I would be allocatedcated, but once you have filled up your character slots you MUST buy additional character slots if you wish to start a new one.


Vanity items like costumes and pets are totally fine, these things are optional as they should be.

Purchasing from the C-Store at some points while playing is compulsary not optional, and my original sales agreement mentioned nothing about being forced to spend more money in such a method. I suspect you have violated your sales agreement too me and everyone else who has, in good faith, contributed money to Cryptic that allows Cryptic to stay in buisness.

If Cryptic really is in financial trouble and needs more money JUST ASK, I don't want STO to tank if they are treating me fairly, I'll give what I can which will be more then what your going to get out of me from the C-Store. But if your pulling moves like this C-Store and treating me like a mark I'm not going to have any sentimental feellings about your company while they are trying to rip me off. Would you?

I am not sure where anyone is getting the idea of being "forced" to get something from the store.

• Respecs are part of the game and even if the player is "silver" then he/she can pay Merits for it.

• The orginal ships are available in game. You can purchase a better ship IF you want it but it is not needed to get to the end

• Every MMO that I have played has given you X slots. When you have all slots filled, then you must purchase new ones. I did this with City of Heroes for years.

Lets face it, the F2P model is a microtransaction based model but instead of GATING content, STO is opening alot of the game. They are hoping that we do spend a few bucks here and there in the C-store but there is nothing in the game that forces you to use the C-store.

Respec are bought with merrits, not with EC.

Still using those is a big disadvantage in a major part of the game called "PVP".

However, I doubt its illegal. I, by the way, doubt that ANYONE here really know the exact terms of the contract with Cryptic/Atari we made, since everyone just scrolls down and clicks "I agree" when it comes to that part. And I'm sure the agreements include the option (or do NOT EXCLUDE) for that C-Store items.

They are. You get 5 for free - 6 if you have Vet Rewards. How many do you think you should you get for free? Most games are lucky to give you 1 or 2 for free.

You mean like the Excelsior, which you can buy with Emblems? Plus the game is initiating a whole new Dilithiuim system - a system where people can sell excess Dilithium to CPs to buy things from the C-Store simply by grinding.

But even then new ships are, for the most part, just eye-candy. There are people like myself who have taken a T1 NX all the way to Admiral. Many people play T1 or T2 ships at VA simply because they like those ships. No one is forced to pay $ for anything to simply play the game and go from 1 to 51. If people have vanity preferences then vanity costs you more.

And how is that different then any other MMO? They all limit starting characters in some manner.

This statement smacks of a gaming newb. Read the EULA and Terms of Service. Cryptic reserves the right to change anything at any time without your permission - you agree to this when you make your account. You reserve the right to stop subscribing when they change something in a way you do not agree with. That is basically all there is to it.

I don't understand why you feel this way? The Free Cruiser retrofit is AWFUL, saucer separation is worthless.
Also better ships are needed when your carrying someone through a space portion of an STF

Some people have mentioned things like

"Once you start, you cannot stop. Cryptic forces you to in some way buy C-store points no matter what reason, they will eventually get you over the line. Especially now when stuff becomes free to play."

"I completely agree with this statement; once you start, it is very hard to stop. Before you know it, you've plunked down $50 or more just on ships, and most of them just sit around gathering virtual dust."

Quoting from another thread.


Excuse me? did you just call me a newb in a method that implys I am stupid? Are you familiar with liable slander? GO FIX YOUR POST.

And that EULA would be great IF they made me agree to it durring purchase, But I purchased the product as described adding additional rules after purchase is called false advertising, you can't do that with an automobile, you can't do it with a piece of reallestate, and you can't do it with software. No where in the modern economic world will they allow you to sell a product and then change the rules about the sale, if people do this they end up in court.

If we are goin to be throwing words around, your the kind of person I would like to address. People like you just "go with it" I don't know why, maybe you have been conditioned into thinking being treated poorly and getting ripped off to stuff you didn't agree to is okay, but I am still a free mind over here. You should try it some time, don't accept something even when you know it is wrong just because that is how it is.

Those statements from the other thread were meant to be funny - as in buying things becomes contagious like getting into bidding wars on eBay for items: you do not really want it but the chase of getting it is more exciting then having it.

As for whether or not the T5 Refit cruiser is "AWFUL," that depends on the player. Some love it. Some hate it. Some love Escorts. Some cannot keep Escorts alive in the game. Personal play-style has much to do with the type of ship you will choose to fly at end-game: whether you buy the ship or pick it from the list.

Thanks. I have corrected my original post.

Good luck on all those lawsuits newb - as in apparently new to MMO gaming.

If it were meant to be a joke how come none of us laughed? I think your being dismissive and defensive about cryptic's bad business policies, I speculate it makes you feel better about doing business with cryptic if you attack any criticisms leveled against the company or it's practices. You've resorted to "Name-Calling" in your very first post just to protect your opinions, I don't think at any point you ever considered both sides of the argument, you just took yours and assumed it was right.

I also want to address the fact that the Terms of Use are agreed to when you create your account on this forum. Creating your account has nothing to do with entering a Game Key. You can create your account, read the ToU, not agree to the ToU, and so never buy the game or enter the Game Key. You can even take your game back to the place you purchased it and get a refund as long as you did not use it. Of course if you bought the game on sale or from someone who does not take returns that is your problem.