Really?!

Yes, some of the Voyager characters were shallow and forgettable... mostly because they were usually poorly written. Kim is the best example, he has essentially zero character growth throughout the entire series. Heck, he's still an Ensign at the end!

That said, there's not a single character on ENT that holds a candle to the Doctor or Seven. Both were superbly written and acted, especially if you can get over the fact that "OMG, SEVEN HAS *****!" which seems to be the only thing people care to notice about her character.



Voyager is very, very hit and miss. However, it hit more often than Enterprise did. Enterprise's really one amazing bright spot was "In a Mirror, Darkly", which is a bit sad considering it's a complete offshoot from the rest of the series. Voyager had some excellent work in things like "The Scorpion", "Equinox", "Timeless", "Distant Origin", "Blink of an Eye", and "The Killing Game", just to name a few. Yes, it also had "Threshold" and countless moments of Neelix. However, when Voyager actually hit home it did it with a vengeance, and has some of the best Trek in its ranks. Enterprise... has one episode where we see the Mirror Universe versions of them and it's pretty awesome. Then we have entire seasons devoted to the Temporal Cold War, which went nowhere... and slowly..., we've got the Xindi stuff which was OK honestly, and then we had Romulan Shao Khan sending unmanned drones to fight stuff. Though I guess to be fair, I did enjoy the episodes that explains the TOS Klingons, and some of the stuff in the last season and a half or so was solid. Still, the characters sucked.

T'Pol was just a ***** for no good reason save being a *****
Archer was a sociopath. No, seriously, he was a sociopath. His mirror version isn't all that mirrory.
Phlox's most memorable moment was him committing genocide based off his failure to grasp the theory of evolution... along with Archer...
Mayweather was the Harry Kim of the show. He was there, but honestly, do you remember him doing anything?
Trip was nothing more than a stereotypical caricture of stupid Southerners who love "eatin' there catfish sandwhiches and workin' on thangs, hawt damn!"... and yet we're suppossed to believe the guy who laments "I was never any good at math in school" is the chief engineer of Earth's greatest exploratory space craft?! It's like they wanted him to both be a stereotypical dumb**** Southerner hillbilly, yet not at the same time. He mostly came off as a stereotype who was mind-boggling given a job there's no way he had the smarts to actually perform.
Hoshi: see Kim and Mayweather.

Reed... I actually liked Reed. He's the only character that regularly didn't make me want to punch a baby when he opens his mouth.


Again though, none of those people come close to the Doctor or Seven. Or Quark. Or Data. Or Kira. Or Odo. Or McCoy. Or any of the other legitimately great characters throughout Star Trek, for that matter. Trip makes Wesley look as awesome as Spock in comparison.

/end rant

Snirkle, Snirkle banjo tuuuuuuuuuune.

Unlike other sci-fi shows, A good Star Trek series does (or learns to do) one thing right, it builds a strong supporting cast. Open any sci-fi adventure to learn about the captain and his best buddies (Andromeda anyone?). Some of the best moments of Start Trek are about the supporting characters and how the main characters interact with them.

With Voyager, you never learn about the extras. Offhand I can count maybe three supporting characters that have repeat appearances, but I learned nothing about them. TNG had the most (Ogawa, O’Brian, Keiko, Barclay, Guinan to name a few). DS9 (Garak, Martok, Nog are a couple names). Even Enterprise has more then Voyager (Soval, Hayes, Cutler come to mind). If we go way back, TOS had Scotty, Chapel, and Rand.

Don’t discount Enterprise too much. It covered topics that were a lot more serious and had the challenge of following continuity. The last season of Enterprise may have been the best one ever. For instance, they actually presented a very plausible way that the Federation could be founded despite the fact that the species are all so different, and in some cases even at war with each other. Voyager doesn’t have a single script in its entire seven seasons that tries to touch on something so complex and important to the Star Trek community.

voyager - once kes is gone, le wild awesome series appears! except neelix, oh the nagging, oh my GOD.

enterprise was awesome in my opinion (the only show where u remember the cook :3) and managed to stay in continuity and add a few quirks of its own (read - they messed it up with the temporal war - alltho i liked daniels D

PS: major kira sucks.

/end opinion

Oh, what an ironic post...

You remember Neelix in your first line, then claim Enterprise was the only show where you remember the cook... Apparently not.

Voyager had some decent episodes, but as a whole, DS9 was so much better, simply for the characters and the way they developed. O'Brien and Bashir for example. They hate each other when it starts, but through some damn fine charcater interactions, they are the best of friends by the end of it. Odo and Quark - friendly enemies, and that was at the best of times.

The closest Voyager came to that kind of thing was Kim and Paris.

Oh, and if Major Kira really does suck, Odo is one lucky individual...

Like all Star trek series, it takes about 1-2 seasons before the show really gets good.

The Next Generation
It was to much "1960" in the story and at the FX departement.
Just check the first episodes on season 1, whata hell happend? Even the first was a facepalm for me. I love Q, but his first appearence was to much of a laughter
In my opinion, the story and the cast really got things going on Season 3, rest is just junk.


Deep Space Nine
Probably the only series the start off good, and ends with a climax!
That first officer Bajoran girl is though quite annoying and a bad actor, took one season before she was able to play her character in a respectful manner.
Anyway, this series had the best chraracter developements, Quark and odo, O'brian and Bashir. Their interactions was fun, interesting and entertaining. And the story just blew my mind away after Season 3 when the Dominion started to get into play.


Voyager
1-2 Seasons are bollocks, they start quite good though on average. But Janway is a painway. and the other cast can't really figure out their role in the series.
The Doctor was the real hero of Voyager, his acting is so good and entertaining.
Painway got to be Jainway after Season 4, was about then she had learned to play her character then some Redneck woman with children on a ship.

Enterprise
Mayweather, do I need to say more?
I think the story and cast went off really good, but Mayweather, what a guy.. I think it is the first episode when he lift up his heart to their unknown friend in a shuttlepod as they go down to a planet. Right there I just had the feeling to walk up and down his ***.
But I think it was in Season 3 when they writers had came to the conclusion that he should probably shut up.

No what you are missing is that Enterprise was still on the drawing board when Moore made those comments. Which makes it true at that point Voyager was the weakest show. I can recount only three good episodes of Enterprise, the mirror episode, the T'Pol time travel story, and the borg episode. All the rest of that show is a blur of terrible writing. Meanwhile, Voyager has tons of great episodes like Prime Factors, The '37s, Future's End, The Q & The Grey, Resistance, Flashback, The Swarm, Scorpion, The Gift, The Raven, Year of Hell, Message in a Bottle, Prey, The Killing Game, Living Witness, Equinox, Drone, Pathfinder, One Small Step, and End Game.