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# 11
10-24-2011, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jollyrogers
Yes, and society should have chased that trouble making Henry Ford out of town and off the continent. Along with Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham Bell. CHANGE IS BAD! ::
This argument makes no sense, just because something is a change doesn't mean it's good. The changes Cryptic is making are generally bad. They could have developed an F2P model that didn't severely penalize current subscribers, but they decided not to go that route. There's good reason for us to be upset.

It was a very bad sign from the start when the matrix was released and Gold got almost nothing worth subbing for. They clearly don't want paying subs, and they don't want them so badly that a Gold sub barely gives you anything, and you still have to suffer through all the same annoyances as a free Silver player. That was not the way they should have gone.

Cryptic's whole attitude about the F2P transition has just been completely wrong, and there's really no reason to feel optimistic at this point. Also, in just about every previous test run over the past 1.5 years, Cryptic has done things wrong, not listened to feedback, and just pushed 95% of the problems live. So, it's very likely they're just going to push almost all of the current changes live without making more than minor adjustments.
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# 12
10-24-2011, 04:12 AM
Plus it's not even that things are changing, its that they're openly lying about things and the best explaination is just "oh well"
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# 13 Ya know.....
10-24-2011, 04:38 AM
I dont think Cryptic has really given this one angle some thought in it's entirety...

Which is...things are tough all over......the economy sucks...people are out of work....and the Government is broke....

How does this fit in with STO? Easy..the game might be free to play...however....if everything content and item wise is monetized with real life fundage....I do not think they are going to make as much as they had hoped....especially if they plan on raising the cost to acquire said in game items.

What you will have is a large game population just settling for the free part....and cryptic wont be seeing that big jump in revenue they had hoped for. Which in turn might lead to other aspects of the game collapsing in on itself, or Cryptic as a company being traded like a baseball card to the next 2nd rate company that's willing to pick them up for a discounted price.

Now understand that I watch lots of angles as it pertains to the GLOBAL economy.....and it's not looking too great. I think this is something HUGE cryptic should consider when it's trying to attract and keep both existing players as well as new ones.

Are you going to spend that $20.- on food? Or a new ship in the C-store? Granted some are dullard enough to buy the ship...and me thinks that is exactly what Cryptic is counting on.

I'm not trying to be a negative nancy here....but I will remind others that nothing is absolutely free in this world...and not everything free is as good as advertised.

Just an observation.......I could be wrong.......I hope I'm wrong......
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# 14
10-24-2011, 04:45 AM
Just my 2 cents...

I should and I did complain a lot about the changes as well, but I am done complaining... I will definitely change my subs to F2P when it becomes available... there will be another Space MMO coming out in DEC that the $15 a month are better spend on... , plus next year ME3 will be out, STO is only to bridge the time between the 2 new game releases...

To sum it up:
- Change Subs to F2P
- Won't complain any more
- Spend money on other stuff
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# 15
10-24-2011, 04:54 AM
i would hardly call the one in december a "space" MMO as they still hve yet to put anything other than a tunnel shooter in as the space content lol, but still, you're right. With a lot of the stuff out soon this game is going to find that is slowly choking itsself to death. so much so that maybe even the newer star trek online game coming out will start pulling better numbers.
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# 16
10-24-2011, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Wraith_Shadow
i would hardly call the one in december a "space" MMO as they still hve yet to put anything other than a tunnel shooter in as the space content lol, but still, you're right. With a lot of the stuff out soon this game is going to find that is slowly choking itsself to death. so much so that maybe even the newer star trek online game coming out will start pulling better numbers.
With space I meant futuristic MMO ... I don't like medieval MMOs with swords and magic and so on...

I would like to see another Bridge Commander... I loved that game... Played it completely with voice control (through Game Commander) Made me feel like a real captain, saying HELM, they respond YES SIR, then I say: SET A COURSE TO ..... ENGAGE... and my ship went into warp towards the destination... ahhhhh.... great memories...
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# 17
10-24-2011, 05:42 AM
My two cents is:
  1. Stop Acting Like We Are Wrong For Thinking The Current F2P Test Is Messed Up!
  2. Stop Acting Like, NOT Voicing These Opinions Will Do Any Thing But Tell Cryptic They Are On The Right Path
  3. Stop Acting Like Those Who Question Decisions That Are Being Made, Are Bad People Because They Don't Like An Element Of The F2P
  4. We The Customers Do Have Control Over What Happens, Because We Can Choose Not To Pay Them Money

Acting as though it is ok to say: "Subscribers will have no negative effects" and then applying negative effects to those who do subscribe, is bad business. Even those who feel any change Cryptic is making is a good one, knows this. Reguardless if they will admit it publicly or not.

As to the people saying they are going to quit, try to understand their frustration. They like the game because it is different than other MMOs, the course it is taking is going to make it more like them, and change the very essence of the game.

I have no issue with a game going free to play, and must point out that like others have said, CO went F2P with "No negative effects for subscribers". Why then can STO not be the same way? Better to pull a Sony Station and change all sorts of things, coupled with alienating a great deal of subscribers? Not the best business model for any game.

Now I can understand how many people defend these decisions, and I don't actully mind the Dilithium, I do however mind the fact that you can only refine 8k a day as a subscriber. Bump that to 30k and then we will talk. I don't mind waiting 4 days to REFINE the dilithium required to make 7 weapons for my escort, however, I do mind waiting 14 days to REFINE the dilithium required to make 7 weapons for my escort...

"Oh, don't worry, you can buy dilithium in the C-Store"

I spend money in the C-Store on top of my subscription. The attitude of wait a month to outfit my ship properly at VA or buy the dilithium in the C-Store, makes me put my wallet AWAY. Take heart, for it is barely a minority, if it even still is a minority, that dislikes this specific element of the changes coming.

Either way, we can only hope that Cryptic continues to see the negative feelings about some of the changes and balances things better in the favor of subscribers. Because if they do not, they will loose a majority of the subscriptions, most people aren't "Die Hard Cryptic Fans" and will drop the sub and deal with what they get at F2P without spending more cash.
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# 18
10-24-2011, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Iron_Lord
I would like to see another Bridge Commander... I loved that game... Played it completely with voice control (through Game Commander) Made me feel like a real captain, saying HELM, they respond YES SIR, then I say: SET A COURSE TO ..... ENGAGE... and my ship went into warp towards the destination... ahhhhh.... great memories...
Agreed. I would LOVE it if STO adopted a gameplay model like this wherein we could control the ship from our bridge. It would require a complete rewrite of the game, though, and we all know that isn't going to happen.
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# 19
10-24-2011, 07:41 AM
I don't understand what all the crap on the forums is about this. Personally, they have yet to do anything that's game breaking.

They fixed the issues with this new economic model
They are in the process of fixing the DOFF system (which is awesome imo)
They did add a small cost to the crafting but that was to ensure that players couldn't simply dominate without a cost using crafted only items on their ship and crew without having earned it and without changing the specs on the items themselves.
They admitted to making a mistake when crafted items disappeared from the craft list and returned them.
They are slowly doing what they promised, and no it's not going to take years, these 14 yo's who want everything now now now need to understand that it does take time to make huge changes to a game and still retain the balance so players aren't screwed but new players do have to put a little time and money into it (if they want instant advancement).
So far their model is a bit like LOTRO and i find that fascinating since most mmo's that do this Freemium model get it all wrong. So far they've been good about it.

As a lifetimer i have a serious problem with them not making lifers more unique cosmetically then the subscribers but i'm not posting dramatics about it.

Oh and on a final note, people who complain about a company who was under Atari's management fail to realize that they are under PW's management this time and things are changing just look at the game, it is not as bad as people are claiming.
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# 20
10-24-2011, 07:46 AM
And then we have posts of people getting angry or disliking others for voicing that they are upset with what it currently is.

The reason people SHOULD be posting their feelings about the direction/elements/ect right now is, if we do not. Cryptic will take this as say "Its Ok As It Is".

They didnt give us free ship tokens up to RA back because we were quiet. They did so because the majority voiced an opinion about it costing pay to play members dilithium.

The only way the game will be more to the liking of the current subscribers is, if they voice their opinion, and if cryptic listens and balances it out accordingly.
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