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# 21
10-25-2011, 04:27 PM
Minor reminder that since it is still F2P Beta, then some of the OP's points are subject to change.
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# 22
10-25-2011, 05:25 PM
Doubtful anything will change. Once something hits tribble its out of testing and will go to holodeck. I agree 100%, if you plan on being here after F2P than buy/make anything now you'll ever need.
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# 23
10-25-2011, 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3R0B4NG View Post
the Dev Blog clearly said "phased out".
that says to me they have gone without replacement unless i understand the wording wrong.

i'm not 100% sure about this...

...but those 480 DL you got on your char could have come from pretty much any single badge / mark or emblem, are you 100% positive that you had NOTHING but the merits on that char?

(needless to say that this still would be a very crappy conversion rate)

yes, the character only had merits... Only did story missions to level on Tribble. Crappy conversion, but you still credit. Its a crappy rate because of this "time based" stuff they are doing.... I got the 25,000 is like 15 or so hours of game play.
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# 24
10-25-2011, 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3R0B4NG View Post
What to do before F2P release:


- Delta Flyer
if you do not have the Delta Flyer yet, last chance, get it now while you still can,
the Delta Flyer Crafting Quest will be REMOVED with F2P and the C-Store will be the only way to get it.
If you don't know how to get it: you need to have a few points in your general research skill (that means you need to craft a few items), then the Quest will pop up in your mission contacts,
you will then need to do 10 days of flying around in a Shuttle to scan 12/12 anomalies.
It's easy enough, get it done!

Since it's a vanity item, I'd suggest sell the schematic while everyone panics.


- Tier 3 Excelsior and Nebula Class
buy them NOW, the Ships will only be available through the C-Store
if you buy them now for Energy Credits you get to keep them!
more importantly, their Special Abilities are changed into Consoles (just like all the other Tier x.5 Ships).
So get those 2 Ships NOW for EC while you can, you can discard the Ships after F2P and keep the Consoles in you Bank or put them on your Tier 5 Ship, that is up to you. But who is going to say no to a *free* Transwarp Console?

Or Buy with Dilith converted to C-store points later. Above mention consoles come with the VA level as well if your toon is VA already.



- VA1 Tokens
VA1 Tokens are going to be removed (might still change, sdAngelo said they would do "some more thinking" about it... well i wouldn't count on it).
If you have unspent VA1 Tokens, get your Retrofit Ship NOW or those tokens may very well go to waste.
If you have chars below VA1? Well, time to grind up and get those Tokens while you still can, or your Endgame Retrofit will cost you 1600 C-Points.

Still haven't figured out this are .5 classes and a c-store purchase unlocks for whole account? Also just as buy-able with dilith, just no "Free" single character version.


- Emblems
it is pretty clear by now that Emblems are loosing a lot of worth in the conversion process! (in the real world they would call this "inflation").
yes you may get a bit of dilithium for your old Marks and Badges, but if you have lots of Emblems you will still loose buying power.
So make sure to buy what you need NOW.
If you have nothing left to buy, think about what your next ALT might need and buy him some gear + bank it / mail it to yourself... or put it on the Exchange or your Fleetbank if you are that kind of nice person ;P

If there is nothing at all that you need anymore, well, then i guess you can wait and see if that dilithium will get you any C-Points on the player driven exchange.

Wrong, post was around here that showed that it's the opposite, except for weapons. You did convert a player onto the test server right?


- Crafting
if you have not crafted yet, it's time to start RIGHT NOW!
Grind your crafting up ASAP, there will be dilithium cost attached to many items (all the good ones anyway), so if you have not crafted yet, make sure to get that Crafting Skill up, or soon it will cost you a bunch of dilithium just for leveling the number up (with low level items that you don't need anyway!).
And this goes for ALL your Chars, since dilithium cost will apply to all Chars and you can not trade dilithium.
The Times of sending your anomalies to your Fleetcrafter are OVER.
The Times of mailing your anomalies to your own main Crafter are OVER!
Now every char needs to be a Crafter for himself.

If you already have maxed your crafting skill, make sure to craft what you can NOW, they are adding the time gated dilithium grind to crafting so it is better to get the items while the old rules still apply.

Wow grinding for anomalies is easy with the Doff system, and now a new resource (call it currency, or even a lame "tax") but it's still just a resource that replaces something that now easier to get.


- Ships
The *free* Tier 5 Ships will soon cost a lot of dilithium, right now they only cost you Energy Credits!
In the Skilltree Revamp (soonTM) they want to make it easier to switch between Ships and Weapon Types without the need for a Respec (we will see how this turns out).
If you care to have multiple Endgame Ships, buy them NOW while they only cost you EC.

...and now go back to the above points about Emblems and Crafitng, maybe you want to put some proper gear on those Ships too?

Not a lot even by a long run. Why is a expert like you speccing out a t3 ship anyways, I thought you knew better....


- C-Store
you want to BUY any of the C-Store Ships?
if you want to buy any of the Tier 1 Ships, better wait till after F2P, they are going to get a lot cheaper!
But thats about it, if you want to buy anything else you better prepare to buy now, many of the Ships will rise in price.
I will not tell you to throw your C-Points at them NOW... but you might want to think about it...
there is also a chance for some sort of *End of Sub* C-Store sale... i would hate to panic buy now only to see a sale then...
also the F2P releasedate needs to be announced to the Press before to get some PR hype going,
this is something they can't just ninja change on us. There should be plenty of time to react.

for the record: this is still on Tribble and "subject to change"...
there... i said it! (happy?)

in reality we all know this won't change because the C-Store is now the only way for Cryptic to make money, and umh... THAT BETTER WORKS OUT!!! ...or we all will be playing TOR very soon... ( because no money = no server, no dev's, no game! )... and we don't want that, right?

Personally i would say make the items cheaper but throw a lot more of them in the Store (but that would also mean more work for the Dev's... and one single Ship Dev can only produce so many Ships, right?).

We don't know it won't change, and I fail to see anything you mentioned. You are on the server now and not just basing this of others right? (Recent history has proved you wrong anyways, or did you leave that part out?)




- Merits / Honor
Merits are already "Phased Out" on Tribble, that means they will go *poof* in the conversion, you will not get any dilithium for them either!
So better make sure that all your BOffs have the Skills you want, one last time, before it costs you Energy Credits.

BS. You don't know the conversion rate, and it looks like I got some from my small amount. If you screenshot a character with nothing but merits converted to the test server that earns nothing, or post where a dev said nothing for them, then I'll buy what you are saying, but I've seen nothing to suggest it.


- Respec
If you are out of Free Respec Tokens, make sure one last time that your Skills are sitting in the right spot.
As of now we do not even know how respecs are going to work in the future, but they sure as hell will not cost Merits anymore (phased out!)... so it is either Energy Credits or Dilithium
and C-Points anyway because there is a Respec Token in the C-Store already.

*note: it was already announced that there will be a new free respec token coming with the Skill Revamp (soonTM)...

We know we won't need them as much, can't wait to see how that system works before you cry wolf, can you?




...did i miss anything?
Yes, practical, helpful information.
  • Get any Alt that still has 250 emblems listed from vet rewards to max level so they convert. (Just a precaution).
  • Save/earn all badges and such from explores you can. Now is the time to work on those accolades. They transfer to dilith.
  • Don't panic or listen to every doomsayer on the forums. Most have never play'd a F2P game, or if they have it's a new attempt and not one from a established model.
  • Fleet crafters are just a title, it has always been better to teach someone to fish than give them dinner.
  • #1 Realize most of the people crying have max ranked and fully equiped toons that are unaffected by any changes. Like me, only if they make a new character do they have to deal with this. They complain for the sake of new players they don't know, or for the hypothetical Fleet members who don't care enough to post themselves. It's funny really.
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# 25
10-26-2011, 04:13 AM
Here is another thing:

Common Gear
If you expect to level new Fed Escort-using characters, you should load up on white Heavy Dual Cannons and Quantum Torpedoes now for all tiers. The common gear vendors on ESD no longer offer any of these, and it's unclear whether this will change or not.
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# 26
10-26-2011, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by aimtomisbehave
So instead of working through each STF once for the set, after F2P you'll be looking at 30ish (depends on salvage costs) STF missions per part.
well personally i find the new version better.

i played all of the STF's once and when the final one took me 5 HOURS (i was surprised nobody on the PUG dropped out halfway through)... well lets just say i didn't bother with STF's since that.

I'd rather play 30 short *runs* then one 5 hour Kithomer Accord that bugs out 3 times on the way... (yes that happened)

with the new STF gear you gonna need to play those STF's again anyway,
i think it makes more sense to get the Borg Set when i am working at the new Sets anyway.
(the good thing is that with 7 Toons none of the borg salvage drops will be wasted ...for a while at least).


Everybody who does not hate the STF's probably has the gear already.

But well if you want, go ahead... i'm not stopping you ^^




@Maina -> VA1 Tokens
"Still haven't figured out this are .5 classes and a c-store purchase unlocks for whole account? Also just as buy-able with dilith, just no "Free" single character version."


nope, they are not gonna be available for dilithium -> (account wide) C-Store unlock only


"Wrong, post was around here that showed that it's the opposite, except for weapons. You did convert a player onto the test server right?"
not sure what you mean exactly.

1 Emblem is worth 480 dilithium if you go by the 1 Emblem dailies on Tribble
in the conversion you get something like 330 DL for your single Emblem

so if you wait for the conversion of your Chars your Emblems will get reduced (they said it on the last live STOked on saturday... and it's also my conclusion of some of the examples we had in the thread).

The pricetags in the shop are fair now i think, but the conversion is shenanigans.


-Crafting
"Wow grinding for anomalies is easy with the Doff system, and now a new resource (call it currency, or even a lame "tax") but it's still just a resource that replaces something that now easier to get."

i agree that getting anomalies is now easier with the DOff System (getting rare particles still slows you down a lot, i have not managed to get personal shields for my DOffs by Crafting because i am always missing that one rare particle...),
but dilithium is time gated by 8000 DL per day, so if you run out of it and actually have to grind for it it may take you 2 days only grinding for DL to get the item you could get instantly before.
I mean... yeah whatever, i don't really care anymore...

I will just say that Crafting always felt more like a Vendor, and now with DL it IS a Vendor.
Tribble Breeding is more crafting than crafting...

it is supposed to be a fun minigame, with some chance of unlocking recipes or whatever... this?... nope... not it... try again!


"Not a lot even by a long run. Why is a expert like you speccing out a t3 ship anyways, I thought you knew better...."

no idea what you are talking about now... where did i say anything about speccing out a T3 ship?
i clearly wrote to get all the T5 Ships.... because soon you can switch around better, but you also will have to pay 120000 dilitihum per Ship, so get them now for EC to save yourself a lot of grind...
...of course thats optional and up to you, only IF you care to jump ships (...i don't, that is what my ALTs are for...)


C-Store
"We don't know it won't change, and I fail to see anything you mentioned."

you fail to see?
...you do not see that Excelsior, Galaxy-R, Intrepid-R, Defiant-R are 1200 C-Points @ Holodeck and 1600 C-Points @ Tribble?
...you do not see that any of the old Ship Skins have changed from 160 CP to 320 CP?

did you compare the prices ...at all?

i also wrote that it is "subject to change".... if you think the C-Store prices will change... fine, just don't come complaining later if they don't.




@Merits...
ok it seems now that you still get a few dilithium points out of it...
i'd still say it's better to use them now
if you don't want to... then don't! what do i care?

but yeah i should update that point in the OP.
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# 27 curious
10-26-2011, 06:58 AM
where is the vendor for the new STF sets on tribble couldnt find it when i was on.
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# 28
10-26-2011, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mastergenera1 View Post
where is the vendor for the new STF sets on tribble couldnt find it when i was on.
It's the big gang of doods outside the Admiral's office. The group with a seven-foot talk Klingon in the front.
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# 29
10-26-2011, 07:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3R0B4NG View Post
...

1 Emblem is worth 480 dilithium if you go by the 1 Emblem dailies on Tribble
in the conversion you get something like 330 DL for your single Emblem

so if you wait for the conversion of your Chars your Emblems will get reduced (they said it on the last live STOked on saturday... and it's also my conclusion of some of the examples we had in the thread).

The pricetags in the shop are fair now i think, but the conversion is shenanigans.

...
The 1 Emblem dailies also give 200 merits. This is so obvious and been pointed out many times that it's getting hard to believe that anyone still throws out the 480 to 1 comments.

Currently it's approximately 1 emblem + 200 merits = 480 dilithium. Or about 336 dilithium per emblem and .72 dilithium per merit (matches both conversions and daily missions). That said, if there are things you want go ahead and buy them before F2P, but seems like an okay idea to keep the emblems if you don't need anything (assuming nothing changes in the meantime). And using merits for a respec is a bad idea given the skill system changes coming.
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# 30
10-26-2011, 07:40 AM
We are still in the middle of F2P TESTING, keyword TESTING, when the testing is over and they've assessed all of the forum feedback, fixed the new bugs and tweaked the dilthium they'll post a full patch list of all features going into the game 3 to 5 days before the patch it to holodeck. I do not work for cryptic and this is all guess work.
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