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# 31
11-02-2011, 01:16 PM
My question is with limit of 5 open offers per account say I have 5 characters that I put their dilithium up for trade if I read it right. Does this mean all this C Points go towards the account for any character to use? Or are the C points only going to go to the character that traded exclusive only?
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# 32
11-02-2011, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeuxidemus
My question is with limit of 5 open offers per account say I have 5 characters that I put their dilithium up for trade if I read it right. Does this mean all this C Points go towards the account for any character to use?
Yes, and also yes for dilithium you purchase.
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# 33
11-02-2011, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Altexist View Post
This is not a system that will be controlled by the players. This is a system that is controlled by Cryptic and is designed to solely to set a fixed price for to purchase in game currency for US$.
Cryptic will argue that It's hardly a fixed price.... you can sell 5000 C-point for 250K Dilithium or 2.5 Million Dilithium.... thats one heck of a price difference.... BUT if you look at my sig... they are valuing dilithium for MUCH lower than I would like. Having a limit other than 1 or even 5 is crap.

My math would value one cryptic point at around 6 Dilithium which is MUCH lower than they allow. I'd be willing to sell them at a value of half of minimum wage... so 12 dilithium per C-Point...

80 C-Points will sell at 6400 Dilithium at the lowest allowed exchange rate.

At the 50 Dilithium per C-Point Exchange rate:
80 C-Point/dollar = 6400 Dilithium/Dollar.
6400/480 = 13.3repeating... 13.3 times 10 miuntes...
thats 130 minutes/Dollar... so about 50 cents per hour... of your time

At the 500 Dilithium per C-Point Exchange rate:
80 C-Points/dollar = 40000 Dilithium/Dollar.
40000/480 = 83..3repeating... 83.3 times 10 miuntes...
thats 833 minutes/Dollar... so about 7 cents per hour... of your time

So who in thie right mind wouldn't sell at 50 per C-Point because that the lowest they can go? Thats the exchange rate.... it's fixed because not selling at 50 is screwing youself...
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# 34
11-02-2011, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HeathenStorm View Post
Is this just for Dilithium bought via the Exchange, or does it allow Dilithium to be shared between characters regardless?

Edit: Looks like you can...
  1. Place Dilithium from Character A on Exchange.
  2. Cancel order. Dilithium goes to Exchange Balance.
  3. Character B takes Dilithium from Exchange Balance.
  4. ???
  5. Profit.

Is this for trading Dilithium Ore or Refined Dilithium? If Refined Dilithium can be traded, it means that the 8000 limit is easily dealt with. Refine on multiple characters and trade to main.
We are currently evaluating a change where orders could only be cancelled by the character that created them, and the escrowed Dilithium from a cancelled order would be deposited directly back into that character's personal balance rather than the account wide exchange balance.
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# 35
11-02-2011, 01:33 PM
Putting any artificial cap on Dilthium per C-point effectivly spells DOOM for this economy..

The cash buyer needs to decide the price paid in real $$ terms.

I can see 5000-10000 dilithium per C-point being closer to the mark... but there shouldnt be any upper limit artifically imposed on price per point
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# 36
11-02-2011, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Any chance of getting to see a global buy/sell history instead of just your own personal buy/sell history? I can't begin to imagine how people are going to price this stuff without being able to tell what people are currently paying.
The window will display the current top 5 buy offer prices and top 5 sell offer prices, with quantity available at those prices, so you can always see where the market is currently priced.
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# 37
11-02-2011, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rehpic
We are currently evaluating a change where orders could only be cancelled by the character that created them, and the escrowed Dilithium from a cancelled order would be deposited directly back into that character's personal balance rather than the account wide exchange balance.
Will there be any way to directly transfer Dilithium between characters (either just account wise (possibly through an account bank *nudge nudge*) or to other players)?
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# 38
11-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Dil is NOT a currency.

at least not as it stands right now.

we already have a currency in STO, Energy Credits.

EC are freely tradable among NPC vendors and with other players.

Wheras Dil, well, maybe now it canbe traded among characters on an account using the Dil/C-Point exchange, may make it viable for a player to have a single crafting toon, but still eliminates all possibility for having a fleet crafter.

absolute hard limits are being set on the Dil/C-Point exchange, which reeks of artificial currency manipulation. (we all know who is famous for that, don't we)

The economy fixes that are needed now are EC sinks. without such sinks any changes to the Dil psudeo-economy are meaningless.
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# 39
11-02-2011, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blackadda
Putting any artificial cap on Dilthium per C-point effectivly spells DOOM for this economy..

The cash buyer needs to decide the price paid in real $$ terms.

I can see 5000-10000 dilithium per C-point being closer to the mark... but there shouldnt be any upper limit artifically imposed on price per point
You have to look at the numbers on the given cap of 500 dilihtium per point which is 600,000 dilithium for say a 1200 c point T5 ship. Which if you break that down in the conversion of 480 dilithium per emblem a ship that on holodeck is 500 emblems with that 500 cap is 1,250 emblems so in some regards you could say the cap is too high being it would take you 3 times longer to obtain a ship without paying real money for it. I hope this broadens your horizons
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# 40
11-02-2011, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kobayashi Maru
500 only per C-point? That's setting quite a low bar on the value of Dilithium. For this to be successful you will need to offer a wide enough birth to convince people spending real money is worth it. If this were holodeck, I will personally tell you that I wouldn't spend real money unless i was getting at least 1k DL per point.
We will be adjusting the various limits based on our data analysis and player feedback after the exchange goes live on Tribble.
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