Lt. Commander
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# 41
11-04-2011, 04:50 PM
To clarify...

My main is a KDF. It's the first toon I took to max level. 90% of my time spent in this game is PvPing. I've been playing since launch and have 3 max level toons. Two of them are KDF. Only one is FED which I leveled after my KDF toon in order mostly to test whether the Fed claims about imbalances in PvP that appeared after launch had any truth to them. I'm currently working on leveling a 2nd Fed tac officer to try out the Defiant escort.

So...to repeat...

I'm not a new player. I'm not new to pvp. KDF is my preferred faction which I have been playing since launch. My tac KDF flies a BoP and I use Photonic Shockwave on it so this isn't some whine about dying in a pvp zone. I'm the one causing the whines.
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# 42
11-04-2011, 05:47 PM
So basically what you are saying is, "It's not me that has the problem, it's everyone else. I'm not being selfish. I'm trying to look out for others!"

I'm not buying it. Anyone who actually knows what they are doing realizes that PSW isn't the iWin button you suggest.
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# 43
11-04-2011, 06:55 PM
I...play...a...BoP...with Photonic Shockwave.

I'm nerfing myself. Please explain how I'm being selfish?
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# 44
11-04-2011, 07:28 PM
I don't buy your claims. I disagree with your conclusions. I find the whole issue to be suspect.

Anyone can beat crappy players with anything. That's got nothing to do with iWin buttons or balance.
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# 45
11-05-2011, 08:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obelus
To clarify...

My main is a KDF. It's the first toon I took to max level. 90% of my time spent in this game is PvPing. I've been playing since launch and have 3 max level toons. Two of them are KDF. Only one is FED which I leveled after my KDF toon in order mostly to test whether the Fed claims about imbalances in PvP that appeared after launch had any truth to them. I'm currently working on leveling a 2nd Fed tac officer to try out the Defiant escort.

So...to repeat...

I'm not a new player. I'm not new to pvp. KDF is my preferred faction which I have been playing since launch. My tac KDF flies a BoP and I use Photonic Shockwave on it so this isn't some whine about dying in a pvp zone. I'm the one causing the whines.
Just about every BoP that's not Ryan's healBoP or g4xth's annoying BoP uses Photonic Shockwave. It's not an iWin button.

It's VERY easy to counter the Alpha that comes after; TacTeam yourself (when the Shockwave is still traversing to you) or get teammates that don't suck to heal you :p
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# 46
11-05-2011, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
Just about every BoP that's not Ryan's healBoP or g4xth's annoying BoP uses Photonic Shockwave. It's not an iWin button.

It's VERY easy to counter the Alpha that comes after; TacTeam yourself (when the Shockwave is still traversing to you) or get teammates that don't suck to heal you :p
Nah i haz shockwave too!

One time, I got scrambled as I was warp poo'ing, and warp poo'ed a teammate. Then I shockwaved him cause I care, and shortly after the opposing team's escort killed him.

It's an I-Win button of teh highest magnitude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (need more exclamation points!) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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# 47
11-06-2011, 07:50 AM
It happens everytime at mission respawn in Ker'rat and other than a brief stun and not much else I have not found PSW to be a bother to the point of considering it OP by any stretch of the definition.

Though that may all be moot now as other threads state it has been recently changed.
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# 48
11-06-2011, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
It happens everytime at mission respawn in Ker'rat and other than a brief stun and not much else I have not found PSW to be a bother to the point of considering it OP by any stretch of the definition.

Though that may all be moot now as other threads state it has been recently changed.
The whole Kerrat thing is a mess, boths sides shouldn't start out in the same place to begin with. Add in the Borg as an ad hoc ally of the Klingons (due to cloaking and predetation), it's more or less a mess. As far as PSW did they do something to make it less effective when the pursing using it just decloaked or something? Thats when I tended to see it used the most (than and when a Nebula does the same thing back to the attacking B.O.P.).
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# 49
11-06-2011, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by whamhammer View Post
The whole Kerrat thing is a mess, boths sides shouldn't start out in the same place to begin with. Add in the Borg as an ad hoc ally of the Klingons (due to cloaking and predetation), it's more or less a mess. As far as PSW did they do something to make it less effective when the pursing using it just decloaked or something? Thats when I tended to see it used the most (than and when a Nebula does the same thing back to the attacking B.O.P.).
I actually have no idea why it was suddenly nerfed, though I've suffered it many times at respawn from feds coupled with SS/AMS, many others have complained of the Decloak PSW/TB/FireFor Effect combo.

SO its possible such complaints where the reason.
It would not surprise me.
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# 50
11-06-2011, 06:03 PM
I don't know how they've been changing things up lately (I've been on hiatus waiting to see what sort of a monster the F2P update turns out to be, and will decide whether I continue playing after that). But, I do recall PSW being a very potent alpha strike additive for a bird of prey. I fought against a guy in kerrat while using a fleet escort who had a very dangerous version of this maneuver that included a tric torpedo. If he got me without any prep, then I was dead without the slightest chance to respond to the attack. I kept fighting him over and over though, and started to adapt. The key was, when he started to buff himself while cloaked (namely with things like beam overload or rapid fire), it would make noises. This would tell me the attack was coming. When I got this signal, I would immediately hit the button to distribute shield energy (this was before tac team had its shield balancing effect...y'know, when nobody used it at all). I would also hit brace for impact. This allowed my ship to survive the full length of his stunning, keeping at least some shields up on the exposed spot he was going to hammer with the tricobalt while also providing steep kinetic resist for the bit that would inevitably get through the limited shielding, and recover and turn the offense back around on him. He would either escape and cloak, or I would kill him. We pretty much dueled like this for a while, so it wasn't just a one sided autodeath.
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