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# 1 Romulan Warbirds
11-04-2011, 11:31 PM
Is it just me or do the Warbirds in STO seem a tad on the small side?

In the TNG episode The Neutral Zone they were shown to be almost 2 or 3 times as tall as a Galaxy Class starship. However in STO they seem to be about the same size as my Intrepid. What gives?

A cording to the DS9 Technical Manual the Warbirds dimensions are:
Length: 1,041.65m
Beam: 772.43m
Height: 285.47m

Whereas in the same book a Galaxy Class starship is:
Length: 642.51m
Beam: 463.73m
Height: 195.26m

And the Defiant is:
Length: 170.68m
Beam: 134.11m
Height: 30.1m

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# 2
11-05-2011, 06:03 AM
The Warbird in "The Neutral Zone" was a bit out of perspective since it seemed close to the camera than the Enterprise, bit just about everywhere you look it's called around 1.2 km or "nearly twice the length of a Galaxy class" etc.
So that's about right.
Many other things in the DS9 manual make little sense (the Nebula has a width of 318.11m while the Galaxy has a width of 463.73m even though they have the same saucer...yeah right).

Ships in STO are a bit incorrectly scaled anyway.
The Mogai comes to mind which is actually about as long as a Galaxy class

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...rison_1600.jpg
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# 3
11-05-2011, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mister_dee
The Warbird in "The Neutral Zone" was a bit out of perspective since it seemed close to the camera than the Enterprise, bit just about everywhere you look it's called around 1.2 km or "nearly twice the length of a Galaxy class" etc.
So that's about right.
Many other things in the DS9 manual make little sense (the Nebula has a width of 318.11m while the Galaxy has a width of 463.73m even though they have the same saucer...yeah right).

Ships in STO are a bit incorrectly scaled anyway.
The Mogai comes to mind which is actually about as long as a Galaxy class

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...rison_1600.jpg
It's funny the Nebula, although had a similar looking saucer to the Galaxy-class, wasn't supposed to have exactly the same saucer as that ship. They made the windows larger on the ventral side and removed most of them from dorsal side of the physical saucer model. In addition they made the rim of the saucer thicker and removed the windows as well to help illustrate this, however it never came across as such on screen and most assumed they're meant to be the same.

Here's the Nebula model: Nebula-class, compared to the Galaxy model: Enterprise-D.

The impression was that they wanted ships of all sizes to use the basic design of the Galaxy; it's why you also get the much smaller New Orleans-class using its components as well: New Orleans article.
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# 4
11-06-2011, 11:06 AM
I noticed this the first time I encountered the Romulans. The D'deridex class is way too small, but if they were appropriately sized it might look off. Borg Cubes also seem to be a bit smaller than they should be, but I could be wrong there.

Over-all, ship sizes aren't accurate in-game and all are generally on the same scale so none are too big or too small.
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# 5
11-06-2011, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Amosov
It's funny the Nebula, although had a similar looking saucer to the Galaxy-class, wasn't supposed to have exactly the same saucer as that ship. They made the windows larger on the ventral side and removed most of them from dorsal side of the physical saucer model. In addition they made the rim of the saucer thicker and removed the windows as well to help illustrate this, however it never came across as such on screen and most assumed they're meant to be the same.

Here's the Nebula model: Nebula-class, compared to the Galaxy model: Enterprise-D.

The impression was that they wanted ships of all sizes to use the basic design of the Galaxy; it's why you also get the much smaller New Orleans-class using its components as well: New Orleans article.
It's not quite that.
There are fewer windows on the early Nebula model and those were fewer in number.
But they have a different shape as well.
The windows on the bridge module are circular, but they are in fact not bigger relative to the moduel but even smaller.
So on a smaller ship they'd be portholes at best.
Also the windows on the structure that is the same level as the shuttlebay they are fewer but of exactly the same shape.
In addition on a smaller ship the Nebula shuttle bay would not work because it would not be high enough for shuttles to pass it.
So the ship only works on the same scale as the Galaxy.
Also the windos on the bottom are identical on both ships.
Here's an extensive article on the two ships:

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/nebula.htm

since EAS does not allow hotlinking I'd like to direct you attention to an image called
"Galaxy vs. Nebula deflector dish"

you can even count the windows and escape pods if you'd like.
The number is not different.

As for ships like the New Orleans, please keep in mind that in those cases they used a bridge module from a kit of a different scale to indicate it's of a different size, they did not do so on the Nebula.
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# 6
11-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_dee
It's not quite that.
There are fewer windows on the early Nebula model and those were fewer in number.
But they have a different shape as well.
The windows on the bridge module are circular, but they are in fact not bigger relative to the moduel but even smaller.
So on a smaller ship they'd be portholes at best.
Also the windows on the structure that is the same level as the shuttlebay they are fewer but of exactly the same shape.
In addition on a smaller ship the Nebula shuttle bay would not work because it would not be high enough for shuttles to pass it.
So the ship only works on the same scale as the Galaxy.
Also the windos on the bottom are identical on both ships.
Here's an extensive article on the two ships:

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/nebula.htm

since EAS does not allow hotlinking I'd like to direct you attention to an image called
"Galaxy vs. Nebula deflector dish"

you can even count the windows and escape pods if you'd like.
The number is not different.

As for ships like the New Orleans, please keep in mind that in those cases they used a bridge module from a kit of a different scale to indicate it's of a different size, they did not do so on the Nebula.
Well I was actually going on what Rick Sternbach mentioned over on TrekBBS. I thought he'd have known better since he was responsible for altering the original Nebula-class model after its first appearance. But clearly those differences aren't as extensive as he said.
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# 7
11-06-2011, 03:39 PM
Nothing in STO is to proper scale...if there is a proper scale for fictional ships; even ship and station interiors are fubar.
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# 8
11-06-2011, 04:02 PM
<<<<<------------ *groaning Romulan fan*
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