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# 101
11-08-2011, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus View Post
Ah ok, thanks. So change the "5" in my post to "4" and you have the same question.
I think I know where you are going with this Nagus .. and IMHO this is a valid question.

From my own stand point of view there are so many ways this could be done .. Yet Cryptic is looking at protecting the money side. Fair enough. Does that mean that all of the other items that are being discussed

700 , 800 , 900 and 1000 day are just pipe dreams as well ?

Are we looking for a reward that is for ships only ? Could the VA toke be replaced with something that is still unique and has a solid application? Having a name or title on a ship (IMHO is of little consequence ) . Having a special item (ie: ship) is very cool. Perhaps a dress uniform?

What ever it is needs to be somewhat "tangible" ( if there is such a thing in an MMO ). What ever it is should help with the VA ? Frankly I have yet to cap any of my toons .. kinda got bored with some stuff.

I wish I could change my first toon from tatical/escort to engineer/escort .. that might help. And with the new skill tree comming I might be able to use that same toon with a criuiser or escort either one .... maybe!

Now then ... a reward to coinside with what is comming ... yeah .. that might work.

(I'm sure this makes no sense at all to most everyone ! )

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# 102 Multipule Unlocks?
11-08-2011, 02:37 PM
So I will admit that I did read most of the posts, but started skimming toward the end, so if this was already asked/brought up, I apologize.

My thought as to WHY it might be at 600 is that; if my A character gets to 600 and then unlocks Defiant Retrofit, it unlocks for all my characters right? But what if I GRIND at day 630 on my new B character and I then hit VA again, does that give me another unlock for say the Gal-X?

So I guess I'm asking, is it at 600 because then I can unlock ONE ship by account PER CHARACTER?

P.S. Caps are not meant as frustration, just points for clarification. I also not been too interested or vested in this specific debate, but am still interested to know and help.

EDIT: I was also too busy to add up the prices and do the math and whatnot because I'm too busy at the moment. All VA ship prices versus price of play time at 600 etc.
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# 103
11-08-2011, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IntrepidFox03 View Post
So I will admit that I did read most of the posts, but started skimming toward the end, so if this was already asked/brought up, I apologize.

My thought as to WHY it might be at 600 is that; if my A character gets to 600 and then unlocks Defiant Retrofit, it unlocks for all my characters right? But what if I GRIND at day 630 on my new B character and I then hit VA again, does that give me another unlock for say the Gal-X?

So I guess I'm asking, is it at 600 because then I can unlock ONE ship by account PER CHARACTER?

P.S. Caps are not meant as frustration, just points for clarification. I also not been too interested or vested in this specific debate, but am still interested to know and help.

EDIT: I was also too busy to add up the prices and do the math and whatnot because I'm too busy at the moment. All VA ship prices versus price of play time at 600 etc.
no. these tokens are like now on holodeck. they are per character. Toon A hits 51 and you choose to get the defiant. toon B hits 51 but will still have to claim a ship for himself. he could claim the defiant again or another one.

also this only affects the ones we have already been attached to the free tokens. so the defiant, the galaxy refit, the intrepid etc. you cant claim the galx x or the vulcan ship for example as they were never part of it.
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# 104
11-08-2011, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus View Post
Neither are the RA ships if you want to be completely honest. It just depends on whether you really want to use that argument or not.
Um, but the RA ships are needed. They give you access to more and higher level consoles than the Captain ships. Without the RA ships you wouldn't even be able to make use of your Commander level BOff abilities.

Whereas the Retrofits don't have anything over the RA ships, aside from a bonus ability and in fact there is actually more of a loss in console power in most cases. Even in PvP these ships are not as necessary as you guys make them out to be.


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Originally Posted by Tiberion1701
That's just an excuse, in competitive PVP and the highest tuned group content, you'll need the best ship available. Otherwise you're "the scrub" who is less effective.

If you can't accept this basic tenet of MMO gaming, we don't have any common ground to have a discussion on.

In any event, players won't accept the "you don't need it" excuse at all.

Adding an artificial paygate to you best item is... ridiculous, and destroys any sense of accomplishment that progression had, which wasn't much to begin with.

Asking people to pay lots of extra money for Additional Ships is fine. The ships tied to progression? UNACCEPTABLE for paying customers.
Read above.

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# 105
11-08-2011, 03:21 PM
Okay. Back now. Processing a headache and a half and some existential questions but I'm back.

Now, here's my thought on Gold status and the VA token:

Introduce three new "retrofit" ships that occupy special slots.

I'd suggest making these a Sovereign, an Akira, and a Luna since these three classes are notoriously underrepresented and underpowered in the game given their relative newness.

Here's the idea. These three ships (and three KDF counterparts) are special versions that scale with level from Ensign to Admiral. They each have an innate power or power console and are balanced in a straightforward way that players will enjoy using, much like the Excelsior is. They scale as plus quality ships. They are available to all characters on an account. They are only usable by gold accounts.

This takes the place of the old VA token and cements a firm reason for people to be Gold subscribers since THESE ships are available for use at all levels and are NOT for sale, with access to them being "rented" with a Gold subscription.

So the VA token at 500 days takes the place of the 250 emblems and the access to scaling ships takes the place of the old VA token and then some.

These ships are each a single ship you can fly from Ensign to VA;. There's no new art invested on them. But you get them at all levels of play with a Gold Subscription. The ship is deselected when your gold sub deactivates and can only be selected as an active ship while gold is enabled.

It's not exactly what was lost but it makes gold valid and valuable without costing C-Store sales and lets people fly a fairly iconic, fairly modern looking ship at all levels. It also introduces three contemporary ship designs intocommon use at all levels of play, evening out the look and feel of the game as a post-TNG game.
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# 106
11-08-2011, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
Okay. Back now. Processing a headache and a half and some existential questions but I'm back.

Now, here's my thought on Gold status and the VA token:

Introduce three new "retrofit" ships that occupy special slots.

I'd suggest making these a Sovereign, an Akira, and a Luna since these three classes are notoriously underrepresented and underpowered in the game given their relative newness.

Here's the idea. These three ships (and three KDF counterparts) are special versions that scale with level from Ensign to Admiral. They each have an innate power or power console and are balanced in a straightforward way that players will enjoy using, much like the Excelsior is. They scale as plus quality ships. They are available to all characters on an account. They are only usable by gold accounts.

This takes the place of the old VA token and cements a firm reason for people to be Gold subscribers since THESE ships are available for use at all levels and are NOT for sale, with access to them being "rented" with a Gold subscription.

So the VA token at 500 days takes the place of the 250 emblems and the access to scaling ships takes the place of the old VA token and then some.

These ships are each a single ship you can fly from Ensign to VA;. There's no new art invested on them. But you get them at all levels of play with a Gold Subscription. The ship is deselected when your gold sub deactivates and can only be selected as an active ship while gold is enabled.

It's not exactly what was lost but it makes gold valid and valuable without costing C-Store sales and lets people fly a fairly iconic, fairly modern looking ship at all levels. It also introduces three contemporary ship designs intocommon use at all levels of play, evening out the look and feel of the game as a post-TNG game.
nodds with approval. Hmmmm some possibilities there! Perhaps with one exception: the Luna class might be better with an updated new Miranda style hull. Also for the KDF.. an updated BOP with other Iconic ships that would work for them as well.

(just a thought)
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# 107
11-08-2011, 03:30 PM
The fact of the matter is, it's yet another thing radically altered for subscribers so it can be monetized. They simply will make more money from Gold Members during F2P because plenty of people will not want to wait 600 Days in order to get their VA Ship.

A lot in F2P simply makes DStahl's statement about F2P having little to no impact on subscribers false. F2P could have been implemented in a way that respects subscribers and the time it took for us to obtain gear and ships.

I don't blame DStahl or D'Angelo - they are responsible for the long term direction of game development. The real culprits here are the bean counters. The ones who never post on the forums and who use the Exec Producer and Forum Mods to put the best spin possible on unpopular changes.

I'm simply not buying it any more. Obvious Greed is Obvious.
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# 108
11-08-2011, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus View Post
Of course not. However subscribers are not "all players". In fact they are going to be the minority after F2P. So giving your subscribers the VA token after 2 months sub isnt going to hurt your bank. Also, your not giving anything away "free" to subscribers because they are subscribing.
/this.

On a side note, as a long time player, I do appreciate the token at least being in the 600 day, ensuring that any of my new toons will get a shot at a refit ship. So I'd like to ask that the devs at least keep that reward.
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# 109
11-08-2011, 05:30 PM
They need to replace the 250 emblems that was removed, with the equal amount of c-points or dilithium.

All these ships that aren't needed for end game, there's also no reason to buy them. $25.00 is pretty expensive for something you don't need.
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# 110
11-08-2011, 07:40 PM
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From this thread, it sounds like the decision isn't popular with anyone.
This would appear to be a more accurate statement.

The compromise is better than loosing the token to be sure, but at a time like this statements like this...

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without having any substantial number of players getting it.
...Do not breed good public image.

Still honesty is better than silence, at least now we know the mentality behind this for a fact instead of speculation.
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