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Lt. Commander
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# 11
11-13-2011, 08:01 AM
Easy solution -- during one of the patches in Season 4, badges and emblems were issued via a consumable item; it was a box, similar to an Offering from the Aid The Planet missions. Simply issue the emblems that way, via e-mail, with a limited number of rewards issued per account. If they wanted to limit the number of rewards per account to (for example) three, then just send out three separate e-mail messages with the 'emblem box' attached. It's then left up to the player to determine *which* three toons on their account will get the emblems.

Problem solved.
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# 12
11-13-2011, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LT.Hansen View Post
They have already explained numerous times why they took it away.

If you kept creating a new character over and over again you would keep getting the points/emblems etc. Which would allow you to game the Dilithium System they put in place it also allowed to to game the system now by buying gear over and over again for low levels and make EC of it. This is why it was removed.
That's the why, but it doesn't mean that it's either fair or ethical.


Here's a thought... Why shouldn't 500 day paying veterans of the game get a dilithium headstart with new characters?
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# 13
11-13-2011, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan_Trainor
That's the why, but it doesn't mean that it's either fair or ethical.


Here's a thought... Why shouldn't 500 day paying veterans of the game get a dilithium headstart with new characters?
I don't think fair or eithical is a factor here, it was something that was forced on them by players that like to abuse the system and exploited emblems for their own personal gain. How was it fair to players with morals that didn't abuse the system that others were making thousands of emblems by abusing the system. Say you got a total of 1500 emblems for all your toons then you found out that I had exploited the system and made 55000 emblems wouldn't you be mad? I know I would.
Sure I don't like the fact that I won't get the emblems when I hit 500 days, but I understand why it happened.
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# 14
11-13-2011, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LT.Hansen View Post
They have already explained numerous times why they took it away.

If you kept creating a new character over and over again you would keep getting the points/emblems etc. Which would allow you to game the Dilithium System they put in place it also allowed to to game the system now by buying gear over and over again for low levels and make EC of it. This is why it was removed.
And people in this forum explained even more often why that explanation is a. bs and b. how to fix that easyly.

And no its not fair, it dont care about another va tokens, I simply HAVE all VA ships I want on the characters where I want them. Especially since the va token just gives out a very very limitet amount of ships.

And its especially not fair since those who got the 250 emblems get the va tokken ADDITIONALLY.
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# 15
11-13-2011, 10:58 AM
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And people in this forum explained even more often why that explanation is a. bs and b. how to fix that easyly.

And no its not fair, it dont care about another va tokens, I simply HAVE all VA ships I want on the characters where I want them. Especially since the va token just gives out a very very limitet amount of ships.

And its especially not fair since those who got the 250 emblems get the va tokken ADDITIONALLY.
I have to agree with this.

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Originally Posted by LT.Hansen
They have already explained numerous times why they took it away.

If you kept creating a new character over and over again you would keep getting the points/emblems etc. Which would allow you to game the Dilithium System they put in place it also allowed to to game the system now by buying gear over and over again for low levels and make EC of it. This is why it was removed.
You must have a VA to get the emblems, so if you want to start a new toon and grind it all the way to VA, especially the way you will have to grind to VA after tribble goes live. Be my guest I say.

And for Cryptic, THIS SHOULD BE A GOOD THING!! Don't you want people to play the game. I would think someone starting a toon and taking it to VA is the "definition" of what you are hopeing people do right?!?

So why take away an incentive to do that. Lets break it down. You have to be 500 days in just to be eligible, plus you have to have a VA to recieve it. If you been around 500 days. You may be getting bored with content. Why not give someone the reason to play thru again, with a reward for doing it!

It basically gives people who have been here 500 days or more the incentive to start a new toon. Is this bad?
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# 16
11-13-2011, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Commander_Prescott

And for Cryptic, THIS SHOULD BE A GOOD THING!! Don't you want people to play the game. I would think someone starting a toon and taking it to VA is the "definition" of what you are hopeing people do right?!?

So why take away an incentive to do that. Lets break it down. You have to be 500 days in just to be eligible, plus you have to have a VA to recieve it. If you been around 500 days. You may be getting bored with content. Why not give someone the reason to play thru again, with a reward for doing it!

It basically gives people who have been here 500 days or more the incentive to start a new toon. Is this bad?
I admit thats not entirely correct. The emblems are given out as soon as you cearte the character, they are just limited by being usable as va ( since you cant spend emblems unless you are va). that is, of course, diffrent with dillithium wich can be spend all the time. If we, for example, could get the eqivalent of 250 emblems at char creation people could create characters, change the dilithium to cstore points, delete character, create new character, exchange dillithium for cp, delete character ect ect.

But thats so easy to fix that it is ridiculous to even talk about it: give out the equivalent of emblems as Admiral, for example though the flag officer accolade combined with the 500 day accolade.

But here is the issue, that can be SO EASYLY fixed by giving out the
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# 17
11-13-2011, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by P.E.Hunte
I don't think fair or eithical is a factor here, it was something that was forced on them by players that like to abuse the system and exploited emblems for their own personal gain. How was it fair to players with morals that didn't abuse the system that others were making thousands of emblems by abusing the system. Say you got a total of 1500 emblems for all your toons then you found out that I had exploited the system and made 55000 emblems wouldn't you be mad? I know I would.
Sure I don't like the fact that I won't get the emblems when I hit 500 days, but I understand why it happened.
Punish all for the actions of the few?
EDIT: I'll actually retract this statement.
In reality, the only people getting punished are the ones that didn't exploit the system and the people who aren't yet at 500 days... The people that exploited got away scot free with tens (hundreds?) of thousands of dilithium, which Cryptic can't/won't take away.

As for your example, no I wouldn't be mad. If a person wanted to buy enough character slots to get the 500 day reward over and over again then that's their prereogative, as far as I'm concerned. All I know is that it's a lump of emblems per char that I won't be getting.
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# 18
11-13-2011, 12:51 PM
With borg salvage there is another "currency" beside dilithium. And unlike dilithium it has only the effect to buy a limited number of high level bind on pickup stuff - and is thus also comparable to the current emblems.

Maybe if they don't want to replace those emblems with dilithium, they might could do it with an adequate number of borg salvage with the same buying power?
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# 19
11-13-2011, 11:42 PM
besides it would of be gone anyways with the new economy, you guys should be mad at the abusers not cryptic doing the right thing by taking it away but at the expense of others who hadn't known or did know but didnt want to abuse due to being wrong to abuse the system. they taken out va token for reaching va already in tribble and yes tribble counts for a reason what happens there happens in holodeck. Making this an issue is dumb to begin with, they need something else beside via tokens at 500 days like ship weapons or hologen for the ship/toon for different ships/races.
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# 20
11-14-2011, 10:05 PM
I hit 500 days less than a week after they took away the 250 emblems.

I already have two Vice Admirals, and one who is about to hit VA(who will also get a free VA token, since we haven't moved to F2P yet). I have an admiral of each career. There is no use whatsoever for the free VA tokens for me.

They should give us an extra VA token. Regardless of whether we claimed one or not. Or, they should change it where an earlier veteran reward is the free VA token(since those who don't have 500 days, but have still be loyal subscribers for quite some time, shouldn't have their content taken away).

Either way, I feel screwed. They need to either give us that stock of Dilithium, or something equivalent. One person has suggested they give us Dilithium, but flag said Dilithium as untradeable, that way the concern of people flooding the market with free Dilithium isn't an issue.

Edit: Another perk I'd take: Give me the equivalent of the dilithium in C-Store points. Or, to make it easier, give us enough C-Points to buy a VA ship token. Then, we can decide what we want to do with them.
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