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# 171
11-18-2011, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JCSWW View Post
There still is no solid date on the next FE. Shortly after the 2 year anniversary in Crytpic's interpretation of time is more like October of next year. When it comes to new content, FE'are what I expect. These boring dailies and way too easy Invasions are just grinds. I don't find grinds fun regardless of how many there are. It is good to see that holiday events are finally making it into STO. Champs gets events for Halloween and so on but STO has gotten squat with the exception of the 1 year anniversary.

Since dates are being mentioned, I have a few questions.

When will we see the Enterprise F contest winning ship ingame?
When will we see the Andorian Escort from January 2011's release that never happened?
When are we going to see the return of "Ask Cryptic"?

The Ask Cryptic Q&A's were something i personally enjoyed reading and I think the community enjoyed as well. I'd like to congragulate Zero on her promotion as well. Definitely deserving and hopefully Zero will be the replacement for the Acting Executive Producer in the near future as well.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, But don't they STILL have "Ask Cryptic" over at CO ?
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# 172
11-18-2011, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ebeyer View Post
I agree with your analysis. This announcement underscores for me the fact that the developers are making this game for new players - eg., not for me (and, by extension, not for the rest of us who have been playing this game for just about two years now, who have beta tested and waited patiently for new content). And it's starting to make me wonder if I might have been better off spending my time elsewhere.
EB
You know, all seems to be making sense now. Imagine Dan having to get in front of us and deliver this latest round of news? We would have eaten him alive, (remember the last Ask Cryptic?) I think someone recognized that all that he promised wasn't in fact going to happen and as such, his credibility at this point would have been close to zero.
Interesting how we've never had another Ask Cryptic again. Why? Because you can't have the
disgruntled players you're continuing to make angry, asking the tough questions and redirecting the course of the conversations. That last Ask cryptic was a P.R. fiasco.

Interesting how conspiratorial speculation seems to have become the new mini game.

But I digress:
I've thought for some time now that we life-timers and even subscribers had no place in this new F2P matrix. The writing's been on the wall for sometime in my opinion.
I think some higher up thought to themselves that there was no way to catch up and deliver what's been promised to us over the last two years and right there, the focus was taken off of us and put on the hordes of new, non jaded players who hopefully will come stampeding in with free to play.
With that new mindset, everything that we had, will either be taken away, (merits, VA ship tokens, Veteran reward 250 emblems, free crafting ect.), delayed until well after F2P launch, or converted into a grind to maximize the monetary influence on the game.

We are now the freckled, ginger haired stepchild of STO my friends. They can't get rid of us, but they really don't care for us anymore either.
We want too much in return for our subscriptions, plain and simple.
The "new" STO player won't have that problem. Cryptic can then under deliver at will, because anything new added content wise, will be for free. Just as long as they get their nifty new ship for
2000 Cryptic points with that uber neat console that can instantly disable even the most Veteran players in the game ! HOORAY!
That's the future my friends, hordes of new players all equipped with all the latest scramble your *** consoles they just bought from the Cryptic store, warping into PVP! BTW, that's when we'll get open PVP.

But you know, we won't have to wait for the Christmas festivities, just you wait till free to play rolls out on Holodeck in December and the masses who don't read the forums, or test tribble, get a load of the "new" STO. Then you're gonna see some fireworks !

Interesting times
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# 173
11-18-2011, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by VengefulDjinn
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, But don't they STILL have "Ask Cryptic" over at CO ?
The do. And a clone of the (now dead and gone as well) STO "Engineering Report - called "UNTIL Field Reports" (UNTIL is a CO lore in game 'secret agency')

It looks like a lot of DStahl rubbed off on Robobo (Rob Obermeyer - CO EP.) Too bad we con't say the same for Stephen D'Angelo - butMr. D'Angelo was upfront in saying he didn't have a communication style similar to DStahl's (more like a Blizzard or SOE dev from what I've seen - YMMV)
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# 174
11-18-2011, 06:14 PM
Lets get an andorian escort for Christmas.
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# 175
11-18-2011, 08:12 PM
Since I'm a Niner, I want the new Defiant skin and the new Defiant Interior for Christmas. Pretty please.
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# 176 You have a point
11-18-2011, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Garwain_Goodhue View Post
I submit that it IS too late, and I'm throughly shocked at the resilence of some of you. Cryptic kicks you in the Jimmies and you say, "Well, maybe I'll hang on for just a little longer."

They are screwing you on the Emblems to Dilithium rate, they're basically saying your marks, honor and merit is basically worthless, and they've got so few ways to aquire dilithium that gold members will HAVE to buy c-points if they want any decent gear. That's double dipping. You're already paying a sub, and then you have to pay more.

What does that say about Star Trek fans? Kick us really hard, because we'll just roll over. There's nothing else for us to do!

The game must fail so that this Eastern Model of MMORPG goes away.
The exchange rate is my biggest gripe, and one that has been overshadowed by the several month extra delay for the ds9 featured episodes.

But I'm not being made a tool as you suggest. I paid my lifetime sub almost 2 years ago. I'm not buying c-store stuff until things are more to my satisfaction. And right now my main goal in the game is to advance all my alts to VA/LG and have them all equipped with emblem gear so that I'm as close to being unaffected by the negative changes to the game as possible.

But if you're still listening Cryptic, the biggest thing you could do to give some relief to yourselves and the toxic atmosphere (and word of mouth to potential new players) would be to give us what we already earned with the exchange rate. When we were happy to see the consolidation of all the different currencies you created, we weren't asking for you to give us less than half the buying power we had before. Even more than the content drought (which is a reasonable reason for the anger you're seeing all by itself) it's the casual disregard we're seeing for the time and effort we put into the game up to now when you so discount them. And that part is completely preventable and within your power. Please adjust the exchange rate so that we don't feel like you're stealing our merits, honor, marks, and badges. It feels like you're writing us off and not listening to our concerns when you do that, and unlike the content drought, is easily fixed on your end. If anything, we deserve a bonus for what we earned during the content drought instead of getting much of it taken away without compensation. Since you're asking us to add dilithium to everything we used to get without spending money before, you should at least give us the dilithium we already earned with our badges, merits, marks, and emblems.

I hope this is taken as what it is...constructive criticism with a solution attached. But if it is ignored the community will take it for what it is: a sign of disrespect and a willingness to poorly treat the people who brought you this far with the game. Don't do that to us. It's in your own best interest not to do that to us.
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# 177
11-18-2011, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by P.E.Hunte
I'm in much the same boat as Nagus, 2011 has been a pretty hard year for the game and the company. Atari cuts Cryptic, Atari sells Cryptic, PW takes over, DStahl leaves and so on...... However there has now been a little time to re-vamp the company, hire new staff and work on new content, so please make up for 2011 by giving us a good 2012 where things actually happen.
Secondly if you're going to make 2012 a good year please make sure you give us realistic expectations. It's better to under promise and over deliver than it is to do the opposite. While you can't please all of the people all of the time, the big problem is that things were promised and then delayed and then promised and delayed again. For example if you can't deliver weekly tell us now, I would rather have bi-weekly EP's and know it's going to happen than be promised weekly EP's that keep getting delayed.
Ive been mostly optimistic with cryptic till recently, Ive been patient, taken the "content drought" with ease, and although they have gone through some speed bumps in their plan they still should be more transparent and honest with us. Why havent we seen the Enterprise F? Why hasnt the Klingons gotten any new content since.....uh...anyway all I ask for is an honest, and articulate answer.
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# 178
11-18-2011, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Shakkar View Post
But I'm not being made a tool as you suggest.
I would never suggest that you are a tool, friend. I merely believe it's too late to save the game. Like a protaganist in a Greek or Shakespearean Tragedy, the course is set and his doom must unfold before our eyes.

I want Star Trek fans to realize that there's more at stake then flying Starships in a persistent universe. The larger issue is, will a Asian MMORPG F2P model work with an AAA Intellectual Property? A model that makes no bones about fleecing it's players. In China, it's a numbers game. So what if only .010 percent of their population plays these games? .010 percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million players. And if only about 10 percent of those pay through the nose for C-Store items, that's still 1.2 million players . . .

But here, the contract between players and developers has been, we buy the game, we pay to play, we buy expansions, and all is well. Putting the very cool items only in the cash shop, or only attainable through months of crazy grinding, such that it's nearly impossible for a person with even half a life to attain the item, then they've crossed the line.

They're implementing that model here. Clearly the Gold members are not valued, as the stipend is small and the rest of the benefits are clearly not worth the additional 10 dollars over and above the 5 dollars that the stipend is worth. Are the veteran rewards really worth 10 dollars extra a month? Or the ship tokens? Hell, how about the very same content we've been playing for the past 2 years?

Again, they are kicking you guys in the Jimmies and you're taking it. You cede them the point because you're all afraid Star Trek Online will go away.

And if you read the wishy-washy, almost Monty Python-esque replies "I'll give you THREE last chances . . . NO! I'll give you FOUR last chances, but no more. I'll simply be out of patience at that point!" What else is one to think?

It's almost like Blazing Saddles, where the Sheriff points a gun at his own head and says, "Stop! Or I'll Shoot!"

Or better yet, it's Red China Cryptic pointing a really crappy SKS at it's server stack and: saying,

Red China Cryptic: "Buy C-store points or we'll shoot!"
The STO Player (being desperate): "Ok, ok! I've got 20 dollars here I can give you!"
Red China Cryptic says,"Thanks. You want to craft? More Money!!"
STO Player: "Um, I've got 5 dollars I was gonna give to Johnny for his field trip."
Red China Cryptic: "And what about that 16 dollars you were going to give Susie for her haircut??!!"
STO Player: "Ok, but that's it, NO MORE MONEY . . . until next week. It'll be pay day. I might even buy my Vice Admiral cruiser . . ."

Perfect World looks on the current subscribers as pure, Grade AAA Marroons. Suckers. People begging to be fleeced because they're really a captive audience. Go back and read how excited they are about how testing went on Tribble, so excited that they're gonna bring that crap directly to Holodeck within the next 10-12 days . . . And anyone following the feedback knows that very little beyond the DOFF system has met with anything resembling approval from their subscribers and testers.

No changes have been made to what Gold members will get for their $14.99 a month. Crafting will always have a dilithium component, and currency conversions (Merits, Honor, Emblems) prove Cryptic's ill will by shortchanging PAYING CUSTOMERS on what they've already earned.

They can do all of this because . . . they can. They are the bullies demanding your lunch money. They have the rights to the IP we all love, and we've got to beg them for every little morsel we get.

Let the game die folks. It has to die so that someone else can develop the Star Trek Universe in a way that is respectful, loving, and shows the better angels of the Human Condition. Not merely a game filled with mass killings and questionable ethics.

(Edited for grammar and clarity)
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# 179
11-19-2011, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Garwain_Goodhue View Post
I would never suggest that you are a tool, friend. I merely believe it's too late to save the game. Like a protaganist in a Greek or Shakespearean Tragedy, the course is set and his doom must unfold before our eyes.

I want Star Trek fans to realize that there's more at stake then flying Starships in a persistent universe. The larger issue is, will a Asian MMORPG F2P model work with an AAA Intellectual Property? A model that makes no bones about fleecing it's players. In China, it's a numbers game. So what if only .010 percent of their population plays these games? .010 percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million players. And if only about 10 percent of those pay through the nose for C-Store items, that's still 1.2 million players . . .

But here, the contract between players and developers has been, we buy the game, we pay to play, we buy expansions, and all is well. Putting the very cool items only in the cash shop, or only attainable through months of crazy grinding, such that it's nearly impossible for a person with even half a life to attain the item, then they've crossed the line.

They're implementing that model here. Clearly the Gold members are not valued, as the stipend is small and the rest of the benefits are clearly not worth the additional 10 dollars over and above the 5 dollars that the stipend is worth. Are the veteran rewards really worth 10 dollars extra a month? Or the ship tokens? Hell, how about the very same content we've been playing for the past 2 years?

Again, they are kicking you guys in the Jimmies and you're taking it. You cede them the point because you're all afraid Star Trek Online will go away.

And if you read the wishy-washy, almost Monty Python-esque replies "I'll give you THREE last chances . . . NO! I'll give you FOUR last chances, but no more. I'll simply be out of patience at that point!" What else is one to think?

It's almost like Blazing Saddles, where the Sheriff points a gun at his own head and says, "Stop! Or I'll Shoot!"

Or better yet, it's Red China Cryptic pointing a really crappy SKS at it's server stack and: saying,

Red China Cryptic: "Buy C-store points or we'll shoot!"
The STO Player (being desperate): "Ok, ok! I've got 20 dollars here I can give you!"
Red China Cryptic says,"Thanks. You want to craft? More Money!!"
STO Player: "Um, I've got 5 dollars I was gonna give to Johnny for his field trip."
Red China Cryptic: "And what about that 16 dollars you were going to give Susie for her haircut??!!"
STO Player: "Ok, but that's it, NO MORE MONEY . . . until next week. It'll be pay day. I might even buy my Vice Admiral cruiser . . ."

Perfect World looks on the current subscribers as pure, Grade AAA Marroons. Suckers. People begging to be fleeced because they're really a captive audience. Go back and read how excited they are about how testing went on Tribble, so excited that they're gonna bring that crap directly to Holodeck within the next 10-12 days . . . And anyone following the feedback knows that very little beyond the DOFF system has met with anything resembling approval from their subscribers and testers.

No changes have been made to what Gold members will get for their $14.99 a month. Crafting will always have a dilithium component, and currency conversions (Merits, Honor, Emblems) prove Cryptic's ill will by shortchanging PAYING CUSTOMERS on what they've already earned.

They can do all of this because . . . they can. They are the bullies demanding your lunch money. They have the rights to the IP we all love, and we've got to beg them for every little morsel we get.

Let the game die folks. It has to die so that someone else can develop the Star Trek Universe in a way that is respectful, loving, and shows the better angels of the Human Condition. Not merely a game filled with mass killings and questionable ethics.

(Edited for grammar and clarity)
Well said.
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# 180
11-19-2011, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Garwain_Goodhue View Post
I would never suggest that you are a tool, friend. I merely believe it's too late to save the game. Like a protaganist in a Greek or Shakespearean Tragedy, the course is set and his doom must unfold before our eyes.

I want Star Trek fans to realize that there's more at stake then flying Starships in a persistent universe. The larger issue is, will a Asian MMORPG F2P model work with an AAA Intellectual Property? A model that makes no bones about fleecing it's players. In China, it's a numbers game. So what if only .010 percent of their population plays these games? .010 percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million players. And if only about 10 percent of those pay through the nose for C-Store items, that's still 1.2 million players . . .

But here, the contract between players and developers has been, we buy the game, we pay to play, we buy expansions, and all is well. Putting the very cool items only in the cash shop, or only attainable through months of crazy grinding, such that it's nearly impossible for a person with even half a life to attain the item, then they've crossed the line.

They're implementing that model here. Clearly the Gold members are not valued, as the stipend is small and the rest of the benefits are clearly not worth the additional 10 dollars over and above the 5 dollars that the stipend is worth. Are the veteran rewards really worth 10 dollars extra a month? Or the ship tokens? Hell, how about the very same content we've been playing for the past 2 years?

Again, they are kicking you guys in the Jimmies and you're taking it. You cede them the point because you're all afraid Star Trek Online will go away.

And if you read the wishy-washy, almost Monty Python-esque replies "I'll give you THREE last chances . . . NO! I'll give you FOUR last chances, but no more. I'll simply be out of patience at that point!" What else is one to think?

It's almost like Blazing Saddles, where the Sheriff points a gun at his own head and says, "Stop! Or I'll Shoot!"

Or better yet, it's Red China Cryptic pointing a really crappy SKS at it's server stack and: saying,

Red China Cryptic: "Buy C-store points or we'll shoot!"
The STO Player (being desperate): "Ok, ok! I've got 20 dollars here I can give you!"
Red China Cryptic says,"Thanks. You want to craft? More Money!!"
STO Player: "Um, I've got 5 dollars I was gonna give to Johnny for his field trip."
Red China Cryptic: "And what about that 16 dollars you were going to give Susie for her haircut??!!"
STO Player: "Ok, but that's it, NO MORE MONEY . . . until next week. It'll be pay day. I might even buy my Vice Admiral cruiser . . ."

Perfect World looks on the current subscribers as pure, Grade AAA Marroons. Suckers. People begging to be fleeced because they're really a captive audience. Go back and read how excited they are about how testing went on Tribble, so excited that they're gonna bring that crap directly to Holodeck within the next 10-12 days . . . And anyone following the feedback knows that very little beyond the DOFF system has met with anything resembling approval from their subscribers and testers.

No changes have been made to what Gold members will get for their $14.99 a month. Crafting will always have a dilithium component, and currency conversions (Merits, Honor, Emblems) prove Cryptic's ill will by shortchanging PAYING CUSTOMERS on what they've already earned.

They can do all of this because . . . they can. They are the bullies demanding your lunch money. They have the rights to the IP we all love, and we've got to beg them for every little morsel we get.

Let the game die folks. It has to die so that someone else can develop the Star Trek Universe in a way that is respectful, loving, and shows the better angels of the Human Condition. Not merely a game filled with mass killings and questionable ethics.

(Edited for grammar and clarity)
I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree!
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