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# 31
11-23-2011, 02:14 PM
LOL, I was fighting a borg cube in kerrat when a BoP tried that on me. I ignored the BoP for 30 seconds while I finished the cube off, then turned on the BoP...he ran away like Paris Hilton's dog. Not all cruisers are noobs.
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# 32
11-23-2011, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
Its Ker'rat and both factions have people that do it.

Its a tactic to slow down Fed/KDF progression of the mission and insure your/our side wins.

It can be annoying but comes from running a mission in a open field of battle.
'sokay Roach...am still looking for you over there in Ker'rat.

Will find ya one day!
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# 33
11-23-2011, 03:22 PM
It really, really annoys me when Fed players go into 'rat, knowing it's our ONLY open PvP zone, and complain when I attack them. I have stopped when it was clear they were not going to fight back... but I mean c'mon. It's disingenuous.
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# 34
11-23-2011, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RStoney View Post
'sokay Roach...am still looking for you over there in Ker'rat.

Will find ya one day!
It doesn't seem like naybody a ever had a problem finding me before. :p
I will say DOffing has gotten a little stale...


How have you been of late?
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# 35 Victory is the only Goal
11-24-2011, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1nONLY_DRock
*snip*

You want to know why they do it?

They get off on it. And if you call them on this blatant aggrevation... well, they get off on that too.
I am going to take this opportunity to respond to several posts to illustrate ideas and concepts that are poorly founded, or just plain wrong.

Starting with the above, you in correctly assume an emotional/vindictive content in starship combat. I would caution you to eschew all such superfluous emotionality. The supreme level of starship captaincy is found in those who approach it with the same cold and depth that one finds in space.

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I don't quite understand it either. I rather prefer a victory on even terms and conditions over completely dominating a helpless enemy. People like that remind me of kids who like to pull wings off insects or torment animals. Groks me as wrong. I'm just not sadistic like that.

Before people say 'It's just a game.'...... exactly! No consequences worth mentioning, so people's ugly behaviour tends to turn up. Including bullying and sadism.

So that's jerk behavior in online games in a nutshell. Sorry, nothing much can be done about it. But don't blame yourself or gaming in general. It's up to the individual. It's THEIR malfunction. Not yours.

Tell you what. Next time someone pulls that stuff in Ker'rat, send a distress signal. Call up your friends. Call up their friends. Call up your fleets. Call up your entire faction in zone chat in the Eta Eridani sector. Call for help! You need backup? Then don't be afraid to ask for it.
You have quite successfully managed to roll the vast majority of incorrect ideas all in a few sentences.
1) All military strategy is predicated on the concept of applying maximum advantage against maximum disadvantage.
2) If your enemy is strong (or equal) in power you do your best to make them weak. In this way you enable your forces to kill the enemy, which should be the one primary goal in all your martial efforts.

3) It is quite unfortunate that the game is indeed so easy going in its penalties for failure. You say blithely that "there are no consequences". I have always felt that excellence, and the pursuit of success
to be its own reward and a fine pattern of behavior.


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Ker'rat is the only pvp zone in the game that reliably functions as such. Why sit in queue for hours when you can go in and force pvp on someone? You can't blame the pvper's for this either as any other option for pvp is utterly broken in game.
Just be glad it's confined to a single system - it could be like EVE where the entire universe is open pvp & open griefing.

It's happened to everyone man - and it does suck if you just want to do the mission. Those are the breaks going in there. I think of it as the "ghetto" of the known universe and treat it as such.
PvP does need to be re-vamped and expanded radically. I would not state that it is utter broken, but just lacks the scope that people love in Star Trek. It would be grand if this game had one-tenth the scope of PvP that EVE has. I doubt that it ever will, and if it does, it will be the most popular sci-fi game.

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......no one mentions Feds spawn camping the KDF spawn....
There is no such thing as Spawn Camping, the correct military nomenclature is DEPLOYMENT SUPPRESSION. This is derived from a long history of forces denying the enemy the ability to move where they desire, and through these means to achieve victory.

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Originally Posted by Starwrath
A very useful tactics is to deploy a couple of Defiant always cloaked around a group of feds, ready to pounce on a klis decloaking to attack. They are like the nuclear submarines (SSN) escorting a carrier naval group!
No, cloaking ships are not like submarines. Please research submarine tactics and starship tactics and realize how fundamentally different they are.

I hope this concise post has cleared up some issues. Those lucky enough to engage their cloaking betters in Ker'rat have most likely been exposed to some of the above.
I look forward to those who have the ability, perseverance and talent to raise the level of combat in Ker'rat

Yours in Ker'rat PvP Plasma,
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# 36
11-24-2011, 07:21 PM
There is no such thing as Spawn Camping, the correct military nomenclature is DEPLOYMENT SUPPRESSION. This is derived from a long history of forces denying the enemy the ability to move where they desire, and through these means to achieve victory.

Finally someone who has a logical mind!
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# 37
11-25-2011, 03:30 AM
Ok, but I only meant the best tactics against a devastating surprise cloaking attack is another devastating surprise cloaking attack...
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# 38
11-25-2011, 04:00 AM
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......no one mentions Feds spawn camping the KDF spawn....
I agree with Sharkforce on this. A lot of my friends who primarily are Klingon pvp'ers are pretty fair minded, nice people. When I've played KDF side there have been many a times where I had to solo against five Feds for long periods, or duo versus five. The tides and balances of kerrat change, and people can be rough to deal with on either side of the fence. I don't think the Fed vs KDF argument holds much water. Most people I know who are predominately Fed or KDF have one or more toons on the 'other side' that they quite enjoy and play regularly. I'm tired of reading people saying 'Fed players are so blah blah blah' or 'KDF players are so blah blah blah.' because frankly its a lot of bull manure. STO is one game, with different facets. Lets stop the blame game and maligning one another. If there are inequities in equipment or combat systems that's another story, but the argument shouldn't be levelled at each other.

The reality is, it is a pvp zone. Its a team pvp zone at that. Going in to solo the mission just to get the loot or such, and expecting no one to hit you is ... ridiculous. I've been killed, and I've made kills on both ends of the barrel here, in the exact same situation you describe, OP. While its frustrating, I think its best to look at it in a different way. What others have said about Kerrat is very true... its the purest pvp map in the game. Queuing can be a great chore, but Kerrat is open. Its my personal favorite pvp map, and most everyone else's that I know. Cap and Hold and Arenas are okay... but the queuing element can be very frustrating. We need more maps. So if you go here, expect to fight, because many people enter Kerrat with the express purpose to fight. Don't take the death so hard, they're doing what they're supposed to, and you're doing what you're supposed to.

Team up. I've violated this rule many a time, but I don't get upset if I get obliterated by a team because frankly there's not much I can do when a Bop runs in, Photonic Shockwaves me and then their buddies unload hell. They've stopped me from performing my goal. The only thing I'd like to see more of with this map, is a special reward for your side actually winning, and rewards for being a team player (Taking damage, healing, debuffing, etc). This is just a tweak that would improve PVP though and not related to your issue. The biggest issue as I see it, is you're trying to solo a map with hundreds of hostile borg, and quite a few hostile players. You vs. the Universe. Not a good plan really. Just don't take the death so hard.

Badmouths. You always get the trashmouth idiots on games. I can't really say too much about this except ignore them. If you're getting a lot of this from someone, put them on ignore and just enjoy your game. Don't feed the fire with gasoline, for all you know that person had a really bad day and they're not even normally like that characteristically. There's no sense in getting in conversations with these people... at least not by my view. I go out to fight and win when I pvp, not to bluster and speak like a puerile neanderthal who flings words like his simian brothers fling poo.

Finally, and OP I realize you probably know this, but I'll say it anyway: Hazard emitters gets rid of the shield ripping ability that borg have. This is useful knowledge wherever borg are found.

P.S.: There are Accolades for killing a number of Player Captains. By not killing a target that has over-extended themselves, they're simply being foolish. That's a free kill.
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# 39
11-25-2011, 09:43 AM
I'm with everyone saying PVP happens in a PVP zone, deal with it.

I love Kerrat in that it's open and I can fight anyone of the enemy faction if they are around to fight. And that they can do the same to me. On both my characters, FED & KDF, I go here when I just want to cruise around and have a little fun without being tied down to a queue and long PVP match. It's also fun to go and test out new builds, either against the Borg or against other players. I wish there were more Open PVP maps with more meaningful objectives. I wish Cryptic didn't ignore PVP... there is so much amazing things they can do with it, but they don't.

PVP, along with STFs, are the only truly engaging aspects of STO and it's a shame one is so thoroughly neglected.
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# 40
11-25-2011, 10:35 AM
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Why do the Feds always attack me when I'm just cruising around scanning nodes?
you will recieve a complimentary Sub Nuc & SS for scanning nodes
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