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# 21
11-29-2011, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KitsuneRommel
This. If they can get away with Starfleet officers running around in Terran Empire uniforms a minor symbol change is... well, minor.
Yes but the costumes are still "canonical" since their initial appearance is meant to match the one from the show.
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# 22
11-29-2011, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KitsuneRommel
I always love it when people think sourced pages in Wikipedia are not reliable/reputable.

I'm not going to check all of them out but so far it seems that only the US Army uses the 'wrong' symbol.

http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nhtp/P...ine%20Logo.jpg

I guess Starfleet 'devolved'.
I always love it when people don't know what types of sources are. (See what I did there?)

Even when Wikipedia is accurate (which, granted, is usually over 90% of the time), it still cites secondary (or even other tertiary) sources. Very rarely does Wikipedia reference primary sources. Asking the person you're trying to make a point to to wade through multiple layers of interpretations in order to get to what you're trying to say to them is the academic equivalent of saying "No, you!" If you have something to say, say it. If you feel you need to back up what you have to say with a source, cite a primary (or, in rare cases, secondary) source. Don't rely on the person you're trying to prove a point to, to play "follow the link."

In any case, symbols mean what people believe them to mean. If people see a Caduceus and think "medical," then that is what it means. It's like saying a Swastika is representative of peace and harmony. That may be the case, in some places, and some times, but most modern people associate it with Germany's National Socialist Party (Nazis), so that is what it means.

As an ironic aside, the Caduceus was used as a symbol for anyone treating eyesight by any means. We call them Optometrists these days. They're doctors. So the symbol isn't completely off base, even when looking at it from an out of date historical perspective.
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# 23
11-29-2011, 10:44 AM
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I always love it when people don't know what types of sources are. (See what I did there?)

Even when Wikipedia is accurate (which, granted, is usually over 90% of the time), it still cites secondary (or even other tertiary) sources.
Yes. People are often mistaken. Books are often wrong. PRIMARY sources constantly lie. Since there's no infallible sources anywhere discussion in the internet is pointless.

Maybe if the US Army (and later Roddenberry) had done some original research we wouldn't have this farce of a symbol in the game.
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# 24
11-29-2011, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by x.j
This is something that is not so important, but I found that it grew to be slightly annoying now with the big symbols on ESD and the DOff UI.

See Caduceus for full explanation.

Now compare to Rod of Asclepius.

The question is then: Why would Starfleet Medical choose the first symbol as its badge?
It's kind of funny that I look at the Rod of Asclepius and see a rudimentary "$", which would probably be more appropriate for a monetary symbol.
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# 25
11-29-2011, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KitsuneRommel
discussion in the internet is pointless
I can't fault you for that line of reasoning
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# 26
11-29-2011, 09:27 PM
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I can't fault you for that line of reasoning
But still fun. I was trying to find out when exactly U.S. Navy changed their symbol but then I lost interest.
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