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# 11
12-05-2011, 12:57 PM
let me have a fed carrier, you can have a Klink MVAM
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# 12
12-05-2011, 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_dee
Missed the point...of the thread.
It's not about the MVAM capability, it's about a BoP with a fixed BO setup, the same setup as the MVAE.
I recommend you actually read the OP before answering next time.

I read it, but yeah, missed its premise since I'm multi-tasking here at work :p

Here was the OP:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marctraider View Post
No more full univeral stations,

4x Tactical consoles

Same setup as AE/MVAM

Hull 33K (To compensate for battlecloak.)




Why? because normal BoPs suck unless you go with Sci crap,
And the raptors are inferior to even the defiant..
If the stations are going to be the fixed / locked variety, then as another post previously mentioned, a science-modeled raptor is a better equivalent.

The MVAM AE's have 5 BO-stations: 1 Ensign, 2 Lt's, 1 Cmdr, and 1 Lt.Cmdr, but no Battle Cloak.

BoP's only have 4 bridge stations total: 1 Cmdr, 1 Lt. Cmdr, 2 Lt's. -- This is part of the price they pay to get the Battle Cloak.
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# 13
12-05-2011, 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_dee
*looks at whamhammer's avatar*...*looks a second time*...
how about some tanks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSBKZPNsK74
Wasn't that the music from the Kelley's Heroes soundtrack???
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# 14
12-06-2011, 12:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprint01
let me have a fed carrier, you can have a Klink MVAM
*SIGH* I wonder what's wrong with reading the OP today.
You're now the second one who responded but missed the purpose of the thread.
Noone said anything about MVAM capability for Klingon ships, it's about a BoP
with a fixed BO- and different console setup.
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# 15
12-06-2011, 04:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marctraider View Post
No more full univeral stations,

4x Tactical consoles

Same setup as AE/MVAM

Hull 33K (To compensate for battlecloak.)




Why? because normal BoPs suck unless you go with Sci crap,
And the raptors are inferior to even the defiant..
Never gonna happen, brony.
If feds dont get carriers, you definitely wont get mvam.
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# 16
12-06-2011, 06:12 AM
It's really not a carrier issue. If anything, Feds got the best BoP load out and the Klinks were left high and dry. The MVAM takes the stronger BoP configuration, losses some odd flexibility, and then gains in every way except Battle Cloak and base turn rate. Then the thing splits into three pieces so it beats the turn rate and still has more hull/shields? The trade offs used to be ok but the gap is growing a bit much.

Locked stations on a refit BoP would be nice if it meant getting back some of the things it lost. Maybe it shouldn't get everything back. Lower hull and shields might just be tied to the Battle Cloak while giving up some universality away could earn back a weapon and tactical console (at the expense of one of the others since 9 is the maximum).

Taking it further, a locked Engineering Commander Station would earn it more cruiser like characteristics like power levels, a Commander Science might have higher Aux Power, while a Tactical Commander could split a bonus to Weapons and Engines. The profession of the locked Commander station should really have a greater impact on the over all stats of the BoP refit without taking away too much of the stuff that makes them unique and fun.
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# 17
12-06-2011, 06:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_dee
*looks at whamhammer's avatar*...*looks a second time*...
It's a Caitian, isn't it?
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# 18
12-06-2011, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
Where not T5 variants for the Raptor and The Bird of Prey suppossed to be in the new vessel line-up we recieved eventually?
Or was that just pillow talk?
A T5 retro with the quad wings of the T3 refit would be nice.
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# 19
12-06-2011, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RedPhoenix32 View Post
Never gonna happen, brony.
If feds dont get carriers, you definitely wont get mvam.
Number three who didn't read.
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# 20
12-06-2011, 08:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dvsaris View Post
Why not have it as a Raptor instead? A Raptor should be equal to the Advanced Escort. Instead of multi-vector, it can cloak.

While we're discussing this, I want a Klingon Excelsior equivalent. The Klink cruisers are pretty nice, but not having that LC Tac slot really gimps their DPS.
Because I prefer a BoP model over a Raptor any day
And high turnrate like MVAM's beta part on a raptor just looks silly :p

I just ment having a BoP with Static/fixed Bridge officer stations comparable or equivalent to a MVAM or AE (There could be 1 universal station here at work, so that u can switch from AE to MVAM bridge officer setuo)

This would mean u dont have the 'luxury' to take a full sci bop or something, but at the expense of that u will gain some extra's. (BoP has less total stations atm)

So it will be a full worthy tactical ship like the MVAM/AE is now.

I take my BoP's mostly to use with the ordinary Tactical station setup without all kind of Sci crap, but because i still HAVE the universal stations it also means i lose an extra station even if i really dont utilize them to make a specialized Engineering/Science build. Just the mvam/ae layout.

Another idea would be just to have fixed Commander/Lieutenant Commander Bridge OFficer stations, and then 3 additional universal stations like Lieutenant/Lieutenant/Ensign.

For my sakes just give it 2 Engi consoles, 3 Sci (Or reversed) and 4 tact stations. MVAM has 2 pet ships which phaser procs can be devastating, so this BoP gets a cloak in return, Beta part of mvam is the most dangerous and tactical worthy of them, it gets around 35K hull, well ok... give this BoP a hull of 33K (Between mvam beta part and the heghta hull)

Tada make it a nice BoP skin and im all happy, i would most probably play KDF alot more if this happens, because now i hardly if never play KDF because of these limitations in the game... we should get much more customizability as well...
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