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# 51
12-08-2011, 03:57 PM
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yeah, that's pretty much what I mean. I'm pretty sure that gambling is illegal in most states, yet somehow MMO's are allowed to do it. But whatever. I'm not wasting my money on it, and I hope nobody else does either.
you are correct and sites like pay pal have been cracking down on MMO's and Community Forums that take user donations in exchange for items ( gaiaonline.com comes to mind ) and have be suspending the accounts of such if the are found to be offering games of chance / gambling. As most MMO's nowadays don't use paypal anymore to handle they're micro-transactions it would be up to the credit cards companies to enforce things. which is a little harder someone would first have to complain to the credit card company and then it would most likely take a lot of complaints before anything happens
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# 52
12-08-2011, 03:58 PM
I'm going to buy a few of the packs for the same reason I bet a couple of bucks when I visit Vegas, to have a bit of fun and see what happens.

Cryptic isn't forcing anyone to buy them, I can't get what is causing such a tidal wave of nerd rage.
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# 53
12-08-2011, 04:04 PM
I'd be more inclined to pick up three or four if I had my stipend. I guess I could sell some Dil but eh.
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# 54
12-08-2011, 04:25 PM
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Cryptic isn't forcing anyone to buy them, I can't get what is causing such a tidal wave of nerd rage.
they are if the person wants that new ship

and this whole 'its ok cause cryptic doesn't physically force you to do anything' bs doesn't fly either. thats circular logic that can be used to excuse any behavior of any kind by anybody

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it would be up to the credit cards companies to enforce things. which is a little harder someone would first have to complain to the credit card company and then it would most likely take a lot of complaints before anything happens
if its illegal the credit card needs one and only one complaint and then is required by law to act on it

the reason you don't see this kind of thing in western mmo\s is because in most countries that have such mmos it isn't legal to run lottery type (as in quite literally anything whatsoever that resembles a lottery of any kind) programs or sell lottery type items. thats why its limited to the asian market.

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My ship was in the 3rd box I opened. One must simply realize that it is a matter of luck.
funny, I opened 5 of them and 3 of the things were exactly the same item 3 times in a row - 1hour xp boosters.... on a VA toon no less.

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Well, I don't blame anyone, probably just myself. I got quite addicted and bought - yeah, mouth wide open - 150 of those winter packs. Unfortunately, the Jham'Hadar ship for my Vorta captain wasn't in a single of those packs. Instead, I got around 15 Elysium Hortas, 25 Pollyalloy Hortas, 20 Exocumps and 30 Geklis ... also ~200 Christmas items, some uncommon, some common, a ton of blue and purple MK X and XI gear, some Photonic Officer and some Photonic Tribble packs, also 4 duty officer packs (2 of them gave a purple, 3 a blue duff).
eh? if this is true I find the whole setup highly suspicious. if a person can't get the item in 150 shots of 100cp something is very seriously wrong with the whole setup. to say nothing of the fact they dumped a whole bunch of stuff you can't even use more than once on you, which looks like a pretty obvious scam to me

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UM.... it's NOT gambling because you definitely get something.... You are not throwing money down in the hopes of getting more or walking away with nothing. Get real.
actually it exactly fits the legal definition of gambling because it is a game of chance wherein you pay money to get tokens to use in a game of random chance to get a particular reward

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I've got 20 characters and it's about 20 days of event, so that's 400 boxes without the c-store. Of course, the odd of getting a ship will still be extremely slim.
if I opened 400 of those things and still didn't get one i'd be having a serious talk with cryptic about exactly what process deals those things out. because they're charging money for something that people clearly aren't getting in the numbers they should be. rare is one thing, but if you spend that amount of points to open those things its absurd that 1 in 400 doesn't contain the item you're looking for. thats dangerously close to looking like a scam to extort money out of people with false statements about being able to obtain said item in a reasonable manner

and the fact that this thing hands out many duplicates of the same item you already got out of the last box is questionable in itself, especially considering most of those are one claim pets

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Some people seem to forget that they can get the red gift box (and the ship) without spending their c-points. Granted, it is a slim chance to get one as a reward, but you can do the race quest with each character once a day
people are buying 150+ and paying real money for them and not getting the ship,. if they aren't getting it from THAT they are certainly not going to get it from the Q race

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I'd want to know the exact odds of getting the ship per package.
so do I. I want to see proof there actually is a reasonable expectation to get it and that it isn't some kind of scam with no realistic chance of actually getting it

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They've stated what the i'Gift' has a chance of containing up front and that the jem Hadar ship will be VERY rare. No one forced you to buy anything. They stated the terms and possible rewards, and you made the decision on how many you were going to buy.

That's not fraud. You made the choice to purchase what you did
actually it IS fraud if there is not a reasonable chance of obtaining the item. 'very rare' is not an excuse. people are buying upwards of 150 of these things at a considerable cost to them and not getting it. that in itself implies there is no realistic chance to actually get what you are paying money to get.

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its only a hundred c point, most items on that list cost alot more. I for one wouldn't mind a holo BO.
100cp? yes but tell that to the people that bought over a hundred of them. thats alot of cstore points for something they have not recieved and at that rate may never recieve

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Gambling for money is illegal. There is no money to win, so no federal or state ristrictions can apply. Now if there was a $100 prize that would be diffrent.
actually what the law says is gambling for anything that has a monetary value is illegal, not money. given that you pay 100cp - which has a monetary value, the argument can be made that this isn't entirely legal

need I point out there are reasons that other companies don't do this?

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I'm sure 90% of these packs will give XP boosts which are useless to VA's. Or pets which are similarly worthless.
I got 3 xp boosts in a row on my VA. giving out items that are literally useless is a ripoff to say the least. they should be disabling the possibility of winning those on VA characters
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# 55
12-08-2011, 04:34 PM
Its a tradeable item in game and because of that you can get it as low as Lieut 6. You can turn it in and get the ship but you wont be able to use the ship till you reach Rear Admiral or Vice Admiral. Its basically a Requisition Form for the ship. Just a piece of paper in your inventory till you turn it in for the ship.

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Can a character get the Jem'Hadar attack ship even if they aren't of a high enough level to use it? Answer to this question can possible save me lots of c-points or cause me to spend lots of c-points.
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# 56
12-08-2011, 04:43 PM
Is this some sort of joke???
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# 57
12-08-2011, 04:56 PM
Is there any way we could please get picture of the scarves so we know which one we want to buy?
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# 58
12-08-2011, 06:18 PM
Oh honestly. I don't see why anyone is surprised by them releasing the gift pack, Champions Online was doing it for holidays already, and it works for them. The only difference is their players seem to be alot more thick skinned than some of the folks around here
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# 59
12-08-2011, 06:20 PM
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Looks to me like CBS said no way in **** are we letting the whole federation fly these, but the devs wanted to put it in so this was the compromise. Maybe this idea will allow work on other factions while still generating $$$.

Good luck to the holiday spenders, and remember,

Fortune Favors the Bold
I don't give a rats hat about the Jem Hadar and probably not about anything else yet to come that is left over from Season 4 until Cryptic calls Season 4.2 what it really is and helps get some of the bad taste of the recent rash of immersion destroying things out of my mouth.

But consider this:

All of the content we are seeing now that is related to this Jem hadar storyline was originally supposed to be part of Season 4. Look at the Season 4 banner still on the forums. Remind you of 'Federation and KDF fighting over these newly discovered ships"?

How could the ships appearance in the holiday event have been a compromise with CBS if X-Mas was 3 - 4 months away when the content with the ships was originally supposed to be released?
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# 60
12-08-2011, 07:06 PM
Sad to hear,
have a Fleetmember, that spent 250$ on the Store just to get the Ship, and he did not get it, and now he is quiting the Game.

For me now it looks like a BAD Idea to do this this way, get the Ship in the Store directly and save People from so much frustration.
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