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# 11
12-24-2011, 07:59 AM
Some of us also never even recieved our Free respecs, since the free tokens per rank were not implemented until like a month after the game launched and were not retroactive.

Of course, back then that was no big deal really since we could still respec with Merits.

The real sad thing is the conversion rates that really sucked big time.
People who had saved up enough merits to respec like 5-6 times could not even exchange the dilithium from said merits for even "one" respec.
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# 12
12-24-2011, 08:22 AM
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Some of us also never even recieved our Free respecs, since the free tokens per rank were not implemented until like a month after the game launched and were not retroactive.

Of course, back then that was no big deal really since we could still respec with Merits.

The real sad thing is the conversion rates that really sucked big time.
People who had saved up enough merits to respec like 5-6 times could not even exchange the dilithium from said merits for even "one" respec.
i would feel highly insulted if i were one of those guys.
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# 13
12-24-2011, 12:52 PM
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Some of us also never even recieved our Free respecs, since the free tokens per rank were not implemented until like a month after the game launched and were not retroactive.

Of course, back then that was no big deal really since we could still respec with Merits.

The real sad thing is the conversion rates that really sucked big time.
People who had saved up enough merits to respec like 5-6 times could not even exchange the dilithium from said merits for even "one" respec.
... cant be... I play since beta and got all my free respecs with I still got most of them...

I have nothing against respecing but we already get 8 or 9 for free afair and ppl still ask for more?
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# 14
12-24-2011, 12:59 PM
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... cant be... I play since beta and got all my free respecs with I still got most of them...

I have nothing against respecing but we already get 8 or 9 for free afair and ppl still ask for more?
Yes we do, because Cryptic took away our ability to respec in-game when we ran out of tokens.
Now since Season 5 the C-Store is the ONLY option for retraining once you have used up the free tokens.

Also as for the missing tokens, there would be 4 missing for those who maxed out to Rear Admiral in the first couple of weeks after launch.
And its only 5 tokens total we get for leveling up, not counting the veteran rewards which are far and few between.

I also lost a value of 3-4 respecs on one of my characters when Merits were converted into dilithium.
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# 15
12-24-2011, 01:11 PM
Everybody plays the game their own way...

And Everybody has their own 'Wishlist'...

Let's not P on each other's desires...

Live and Let Live... Least for the weekend, It's Xmas for cryin' out loud.
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# 16
12-24-2011, 03:17 PM
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... cant be... I play since beta and got all my free respecs with I still got most of them...

I have nothing against respecing but we already get 8 or 9 for free afair and ppl still ask for more?
Well the thing is some of us used those respecs under the old system, taking theoretical builds and putting them into practice, respeccing to suit what actually worked vs what really worked.

Now the skill system is changing completely and we won't be able to respec in order to find that build, to maximise our enjoyment of the game, not without cash, something close to $10 a respec.

Just because you havn't done this, you havn't used your respecs, doesn't mean the need to do so for others does not exist or is rendered invalid, your experiance of STO is nto the ultimate.

Again I ask, what does it hurt you if others are able to respec in a way you don't need to, but can if you want as well?
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# 17
12-24-2011, 04:07 PM
Some of us get bored flying the same old ship/build & want to try new builds. I used to be able to switch ships /builds every couple of weeks with my honor points. Now i have to pay money to do it. Or i could take my stipend & & respec 1 of my 6 toons per month. I won't pay to respec. When i get bored with my current build i will simply go play another game. I'm not going to pay money to buy a new ship, & then pay almost as much as i paid for the ship simply to be effective in PVP with it. So instead, I will not buy new ships. I will spend less time/ money playing STO, & more time & money with games that don't bore me anymore.
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# 18
12-24-2011, 04:20 PM
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Just because you don't understand why some people do certain things does not invalidate the fact that they do and may enjoy doing it.
And yes, I do have one toon of every class for both factions(total of 6).
But my two faction main characters are the ones I spend the most time on, and sometimes its just nice mixing things up with the same class, such as an engineer in an escort or science ship rather than the same old cruiser.
then you seem to play the exact same way that i do....

only that i say to myself "this char will be made for the Galaxy-X" and then i stick with that choice until i think that it was a crappy choice of a ship for a TAC and try another ship... respec one time into escorts... try the Defiant, the Prometheus and then end up in the Jem Hadar ship. yay.... this char found his Ship.



i also agree that there should indeed be an ingame way of getting respecs just like there was before.

i just don't see that it will happen... they will say we can now grind dilithium and sell for c-points if we want a free one. if they react at all.
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# 19
12-24-2011, 04:28 PM
What they fail to realise with this insanity is that they are loosing money from it.

For many, being able to conveinently respec, or a steady supply of respec tokens is a given for being a "subscriber" in a modern MMORPG.
Then there is the C-Store, people who feel their freedom is being curtailed will feel much less inclined to purchase C-Store ships, as they will need to grind like madmen or pay to be able to use different ship types properly.(I.E Science, Escort, Cruiser)

Honestly, I just don't understand the logic behind Cryptic's thinking behind this, as Champions Online allows you to respec without buying a Token from the C-Store.
In fact there are just so many things CO does much better than STO for F2P.

But worst of all with this whole respec debacle is that the cost of a token is going to DOUBLE next month.
Which means at most it can end up costing 400k dilithium to exchange for "one" Token, which translates into nearly two months of non-stop daily grinding and NOT buying ANYTHING else for dilithium.
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# 20
12-24-2011, 04:47 PM
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What they fail to realize with this insanity is that they are losing money from it.
They will lose money if they offer you something they intend to sell, for free. Before F2P the plan was that subscribers could spend time in-game (grind) to collect a currency (Merits) and thus be able to Respec. After F2P, the plan is that players (any player in fact) should spend time in-game (grind) to collect a currency (Dilithium) which they can sell for CP and with the CP buy Respec tokens from the C-Store that is available inside the game.

In essence Cryptic have streamlined the ability of the player to obtain Respecs. You either grind, collect Dilithium and convert it to CP to buy the Respec, or directly buy CP's to buy the Respce. Essentially it's the same as Merits, but takes longer!

The goal here of course is to prolong the activity so you'd always ask yourself whether you want to spend time to obtain the CP's or just buy them with actual money.

The ability to Respec in-game hasn't been taken, it'll just bring Cryptic more money in the long run.

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For many, being able to conveniently respec, or a steady supply of respec tokens is a given for being a "subscriber" in a modern MMORPG.
Even if you're right, which I doubt, this does not mean Cryptic can't change the rules.

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Honestly, I just don't understand the logic behind Cryptic's thinking behind this, as Champions Online allows you to respec without buying a Token from the C-Store.
Good luck respecing in CO once you're out of in-game money.

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In fact there are just so many things CO does much better than STO for F2P.
Can't argue with that, but my signature explains why CO F2P and STO F2P are different.

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But worst of all with this whole respec debacle is that the cost of a token is going to DOUBLE next month.
Which means at most it can end up costing 400k dilithium to exchange for "one" Token, which translates into nearly two months of non-stop daily grinding and NOT buying ANYTHING else for dilithium.
And from this, you can deduce that either Cryptic has many many people who want to respec, so they figured it should be a great revenue stream, or... that Cryptics' data proves to them that not many want to respec as often as you imply and so they're willing to risk it and ask for such a high respec price.

Take it or leave it, that's what's going to happen. I truly doubt Cryptic is unaware of the situation and I'd be laughing my head off if they do a 180 turn and apologize and tell you it's been a "pricing bug" all along.
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