I hope the first convo on Kaas you picked the middle one. BH reply to that guy about Imperials made me LOL in beta plus earned points with Mako.

Funny it wasn't Matt Daniel that reported this today after his latest article. Hmmm.

Damn I hate it that you can't post pics on that forum... the only thing bioware does if you "trash" there game is giving you a ban.

And even constructive posts just get locked and deleted in a few minutes... people got problems with the cancellation of there subscription, people give the direct link to the cancel page... and get a warning... made my day when that happend.

Lol. You think STO is great on the forums? Have you not seen how the Mods and Devs here back last summer were shutting down posts left, right and centre just to stop people complaining. Banning people that were their biggest detractors.

Remember a certain Falcon that was silence when the evidence of our poor second faction was highlighted?

The "you cannot do I quit posts" from day 1 because people were quitting in disgust?

Another one who just wants to hate on TOR for the sake of it and everything is rosy in STO but TOR is poor?

Forget it,

Just received some info from Cryptic.

Wont say what, only that I cannot believe how over sensitive they are.

Just wanted to say how I love STO and I think it's great now and I hate TOR.

I love all the posts here and I do hate it when people debate, especially when it gets heated

I retract every bad thing I said about STO and assign it to TOR please.

I hope Cryptic now sends me a lovely email telling me how happy they are with me

Off to go watch Silent Running now, as I feel the need for some hippy vibe, as STO forums always gives me that happy glow

Hahaha.. *wipes tears of laughter from eyes* yeah, except if you read *their* boards, there are *tons* of posts saying that their Devs don't care about player opinions, are defensive, and are doing their own thing regardless of what the playerbase wants, the *exact same thing* people say about Cryptic.

Interesting. i wonder if EA will be satisfied with 800K subs (200K short of what EAfinancial analysts claimed would be needed to have the game meet minimum expectations?)

of course if could indeed pull a WoW like rebound and we could see subs increase too.

If the upper guessed metric (2.2 million units with the expecttation of 75% - 90% retention - although I think 90% is a pipe dream for ANY MMO - that's 1.65 million to 1.98 million) TOR should be a winn for EA; but again, it'll be interesting to see.

Still - even at the upper bound stated in the article - that's 20% as successful as World of ******** - so, would that still make SWToR (and every other MMO released before or since WoW a virtual failure?

If it does hover around the 800K mark though, it will be interesting to see if EA considers that successful enough to continue throwing a big chunk of captial at it for content expansion.

Lastly (again assuming the Dev budget number are true SWToR had:

10 times the financial budget of STO. (200 million vs 20 million)

26.6 times the development staff (800 vs 30 - and the 30 is taken from the recent interview with Captain Gekko on a recent Podcast UGC. And it would be probablybe about 200 times the amount of voice actors 1000 vs what? 5 or 6? )

edited to add:

4 times the development time - (6 years for SWToR (they started development in 2006) vs 18 months for STO.)

(Just wanted to give a more full omparison; BUT, in the end, the only thing that matters is if you like the game and you feel it's worth what you've paid into it - be it SWToR or STO.)

Interesting thing though is: BOTH MMOs STO and SWToR have the SAME Meta Critic score when it comes to what players are posting:

SWToR User MetaCritic score 6.0 with 1385 players giving reviews (link)

STO User MetaCritic score 6.0 with 476 players giving reviews (link)

I really do hope EA gives SWToR a chance and doesn't start pulling back ro do an 'Atari' on SWToR.

(Seriously, as I'd LIKE to see Sci Fi based MMOs continue to be made.)

Swtor is an MMO. period.

It's also a very well-crafted one despite major flaws. As a whole, I prefer it to STO.

Both TOR and STO are mmos. I don't even know why this was even brought up for debate

However, TOR is and should have been a single player KOTOR game. Instead we got global chat and standard, overused dungeons and they slapped the mmo tag on it. Why? Because they want people to pay 15$ a month for it.

That is my biggest problem with TOR. And for that alone, I am not going to pay monthly for it, just to run the same dungeons you find in any Korean grind-fest. No thanks.
In my opinion, once the main story-arc is done, the game is finished. And I got my 60$ worth. But no more payments.