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# 1 Fed Carrier Rumors.
12-30-2011, 09:23 PM
Yeah I'm on my teamspeak channel with my fleet and there are constant rumors of people who claim to be tight with devs saying that there is going to be a Federation Carrier.

Wtf is all this about. Please just confirm this is a rumor. I know Heretic said that something like that MGIHT be possible but not likely at all. Do you seriously want to kill Klingon Originality. to make this game one faction oriented. I know this is really just a rumor and I should take it with a grain of salt but hearing how much feds whine and cry because they want it has made me worry that someday this will sadly become a possibility and balance would be gone forever.
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# 2
12-30-2011, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DecadeComplete
Yeah I'm on my teamspeak channel with my fleet and there are constant rumors of people who claim to be tight with devs saying that there is going to be a Federation Carrier.

Wtf is all this about. Please just confirm this is a rumor. I know Heretic said that something like that MGIHT be possible but not likely at all. Do you seriously want to kill Klingon Originality. to make this game one faction oriented. I know this is really just a rumor and I should take it with a grain of salt but hearing how much feds whine and cry because they want it has made me worry that someday this will sadly become a possibility and balance would be gone forever.
I agree with your sentiment that if there are no carriers in the Federation, then we should not add them just because the Klingon side has them. It's better that each side have different things that are unique to them anyway. And I say this despite the fact that I think it would be really cool to have one. But if I want one that badly, then I will just level a Klingon faction character to the point that I can get one there.

I am just confused by your ending. You say it would "destroy" balance, but wouldn't it in fact "restore" it? And again, I'm not advocating for it. I don't even really get all upset about one side having something that tips the scales one way or the other, because achieving an optimal balance really isn't realistic if you want each side to have unique things. Case in point, the Klingons and the Romulans always had the advantage of cloaking technology, but this just prompted the Federation to do its best to create better sensor technology.

But back to my point, isn't technically a carrier a bit more powerful than a ship? I mean, after all, it carries a bunch of smaller ships inside of it. So really, that would give the Klingon side an edge in that regard. But like I said, I'm okay with that. :-)
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# 3
12-30-2011, 11:00 PM
"Tight with the devs" is just code for "pulling it out of my ***. They don't need to confirm it's a rumour.
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# 4
12-30-2011, 11:15 PM
dev's have said that they were throwing around ideas about adding one single ship with one single hanger slot to the fed side. while it is not confirmed they are actually doing it i recall seeing it mentioned in one of the "we need fed carriers" topics.


note, they never said they were going to do it, they just said that SHOULD they add a fed carrier it would be something similar to one of the orion flight deck cruisers and that there would only ever be one ship made for the feds with hanger capabilities.
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# 5
12-30-2011, 11:40 PM
Whether it is just rumor or there is a grain of salt to it really doesn't matter. If they actually gave carriers to the federation i really dont think it would be that big a deal.

Now i play KDF as well as fed. I think there are people who are going to play KDF no matter what and that the KDF has certain things that make it more Klingon than carriers. especially since i cant think of a canon instance where we have actually seen a Klingon Carrier. to me a carrier is actually about as unklingon as a fed carrier is unstarfleet.

there things that the klingons have that are much more klingon including cloaks. outside of two ships federation wise i firmly believe that no federation ship should have a cloak. to me that is totally klingon/romulan

there are other ways to give klingons real distinction than just carriers.
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# 6
12-30-2011, 11:47 PM
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Whether it is just rumor or there is a grain of salt to it really doesn't matter. If they actually gave carriers to the federation i really dont think it would be that big a deal.

Now i play KDF as well as fed. I think there are people who are going to play KDF no matter what and that the KDF has certain things that make it more Klingon than carriers. especially since i cant think of a canon instance where we have actually seen a Klingon Carrier. to me a carrier is actually about as unklingon as a fed carrier is unstarfleet.

there things that the klingons have that are much more klingon including cloaks. outside of two ships federation wise i firmly believe that no federation ship should have a cloak. to me that is totally klingon/romulan

there are other ways to give klingons real distinction than just carriers.
Even when I wrote my last post in this thread, I was thinking the same thing. Carriers really aren't something that would be "new" to any playable species. We have them right now on Earth. Have for who knows how long...many generations before I was born, at least. And the Federation is at war on so many fronts, it would only make sense that they would have carriers in major staging areas. But I would stand by the rest of what I said. I think having things that distinguish the two factions, even if they do create some reasonable imbalances, are healthy and acceptable. One imbalance for one side, another imbalance on the other, and you'll end up with unpredictable, imaginative balanced combat.
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# 7
12-30-2011, 11:49 PM
Rumors are just another way for people to get attention...
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# 8
12-30-2011, 11:50 PM
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Rumors are just another way for people to get attention...
And to create discord.
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# 9
12-31-2011, 01:18 AM
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Even when I wrote my last post in this thread, I was thinking the same thing. Carriers really aren't something that would be "new" to any playable species. We have them right now on Earth. Have for who knows how long...many generations before I was born, at least. And the Federation is at war on so many fronts, it would only make sense that they would have carriers in major staging areas. But I would stand by the rest of what I said. I think having things that distinguish the two factions, even if they do create some reasonable imbalances, are healthy and acceptable. One imbalance for one side, another imbalance on the other, and you'll end up with unpredictable, imaginative balanced combat.
Well truth be told, even though The great bird envisioned a much less military starfleet in the later years, I believe that the current STO situation would almost require Starfleet to build carriers.

lets face it they are facing a war on 2 possibly 3 fronts depending on how you look at it. in order to survive the federation would have to adopt policies and procedures that would ensure its survival. they would need to reduce the loss rate. not just in men but material. lets face it its a lot cheaper to build 100 fighters and crew them than it is to buld a Galaxy class starship. Just the reduction in man power loss compaired to losing a galaxy class starship would be a huge savings.

As much as they say the federation does not have "money" there has to be some way to figure costs. even if your crew recieves no pay what so ever. how do you calculate the cost of the minerals that are being mined, shipped to the foundry, manufactured into tritanium hull plating, shipped to the manufacturing facility (never mind if it is modular and the parts are built in one place then shipped elsewhere.) the specialists who build the ship (even if they are controling robots not androids or holograms because those are sentient and may not want to work).

even with out money those things still have an intrinsic value. and the loss of a starship is a huge cost. never mind the personel who are trained to operate it.

What it comes down to is is killing more of the enemy than they are killing of you. So i believe the federation would have no choice but to move in the direction of carriers.

As for making combat more interesting between the diffrent races. i agree, but i do believe that they can do that with out sticking a specific ship type on a specific species. there are things that can do that while making the klingons specifically klingon. Each side should have advantages over the other. things that would require the players to find ways to get around those advantages. that would be fun
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# 10
12-31-2011, 01:29 AM
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We have them right now on Earth. Have for who knows how long...many generations before I was born, at least.
1918, HMS Argus I think?
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