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# 1 Choosing a VA escort?
01-02-2012, 02:16 AM
Alright, I've finally leveled my first toon to VA. Now, i'm trying to figure out which ship to purchase, the Defiant refit or the MVAE. Right now i'm happy with my Fleet Escort; I love the extra Engineer BO slot, since i'm an Engineering captain. I'm going to be working on STFs for a while, and then maybe i'll move onto PVP, so I want a ship that can handle both. Here's my current loadout:

Fleet Escort

Fore:
Polaron DBB Mk X [CrtD] [CrtH] (for Beam Overload)
2 Polaron DHC Mk X [CrtD]x2
Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mk X [CrtH] [CrtD] [Borg]

Deflector and Engines are Breen set for the Superconducting Phase Channels

Regenerative Shield Array Mk X [Pla]

Aft:
2x Polaron Turrets Mk X [CrtD]
Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mk IX [CrtD]

2x Green Electroceramic Hull Plating Mk X
Blue Monotanium Alloy Mk X

Green Flow Capacitor Mk X
Assimilated Console (Borg set)

2x Green Polaron Phase Modulator Mk X
Automated Defense Turret
Blue Warhead Yield Chamber Mk IX

BO:
THYI, BO2, BO3, Omega2
Tac Team 1, CRF1, Delta2
Engineering Team 1, EPTS2
EPTS1
HE1, Tachyon Beam 2


So, Im not sure where to go from here. I like being able to do lots of burst damage with CRF followed by BO2/BO3 and THY, and I could add a Torp Spread to the mix easily. But, I also like stopping the Borg Shield Neutralizer with HE1, and I could really use Polarize Hull with the MVAM's science slot. No matter what i'll have to give up an Engineering power, so i'll probably stick with the two EPTS, since I have Miracle Worker and Engineering Fleet from being Eng captain and Hazard Emitters has a small hull heal.

arrrrgh I can't decide. Suggestions?
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# 2
01-02-2012, 06:59 AM
Basic advice:
- take 4 Polaron +26 consoles
- get a Borg retro set. Shields, engines, deflector for STFs. Deflector and engines for PvP, plus a high capacity shield like Mk XI [Cap]x3 or Aegis. A borg set will cost you a just 15 rare Borg salvages in total. Upgrade the other weapons to Mk XI for 2 rares each.
- drop the rear torp for another turret
- use a field generator, an EPS (+70%) and a neutronium armor (+18) as Eng consoles
- Borg console plus Emitter Array as Sci consoles

For skills check this thread http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=244532

I'd go with
Tac Team 1, Torp Spread 1, Scatter Volley 1, Torp Spread 2, 2 * Beam Overload 3, Scatter Volley 3
2 * Emergency Power to Shields 1, Aux2Sif 1 or Aux2Damp 1
Transfer Shield Strength 1, Hazard Emitters 2

But that's a build which matches my style of piloting.
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# 3
01-02-2012, 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellspawny View Post
Basic advice:
- take 4 Polaron +26 consoles
- get a Borg retro set. Shields, engines, deflector for STFs. Deflector and engines for PvP, plus a high capacity shield like Mk XI [Cap]x3 or Aegis. A borg set will cost you a just 15 rare Borg salvages in total. Upgrade the other weapons to Mk XI for 2 rares each.
- drop the rear torp for another turret
- use a field generator, an EPS (+70%) and a neutronium armor (+18) as Eng consoles
- Borg console plus Emitter Array as Sci consoles

For skills check this thread http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=244532

I'd go with
Tac Team 1, Torp Spread 1, Scatter Volley 1, Torp Spread 2, 2 * Beam Overload 3, Scatter Volley 3
2 * Emergency Power to Shields 1, Aux2Sif 1 or Aux2Damp 1
Transfer Shield Strength 1, Hazard Emitters 2

But that's a build which matches my style of piloting.

Typo: the retro Borg set costs 15 EDC, not salvage. Though getting the weapons for 2 rare salvage each is legit -- and a good choice for the STFs.

Don't forget to do the Undine Assimilation mission for the Borg console.

Agree with the Emitter Array advice. I think it's the go-to Science console for non-science builds.
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# 4
01-02-2012, 02:14 PM
The Defiant is really fun to fly around in, but the MVAM has two extra things going for it: The MVAM console, and the ability to use a Commander level Science Skill (Gravity Well is GREAT for STF's).

But right now, I've been using the Fleet Escort too because of its engineering BO skill and console (although the Defiant has an extra Engineering console now). IMO, the Jem'Hadar ship would be the next setup up from the Fleet Escort, but its impossible to get
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# 5
01-02-2012, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kostamojen View Post
The Defiant is really fun to fly around in, but the MVAM has two extra things going for it: The MVAM console, and the ability to use a Commander level Science Skill (Gravity Well is GREAT for STF's).

But right now, I've been using the Fleet Escort too because of its engineering BO skill and console (although the Defiant has an extra Engineering console now). IMO, the Jem'Hadar ship would be the next setup up from the Fleet Escort, but its impossible to get
I already dropped $20 trying to get the bugship, before I checked the forum and realized how low the drop rate actually was

I liked my T4 Defiant, but I'm not keen on losing the third aft weapon slot. The Cloak is nifty, but i'm not sure how useful it is, not being a Battle Cloak. MVAM sounds more useful, but how does it fare in PVP? I have a feeling MVAM + Fleet Support could help draw fire when I get aggro from multiple Borg vessels, but I'm not sure how useful it would be in PVP. I think i'm leaning more towards MVAE than Defiant-R though.
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# 6
01-02-2012, 05:43 PM
In STFs as a TAC, especially in PuGs and as you head up towards elite later you REALLY need to avoid hitting more than one target. Multiple aggro is likely to kill you!

I would sugegst avoiding things like Torp Spread and Cannon volley. Taking a low level version is fine if you are intercepting on KA or Infected, but apart from probe bursting this stuff is gonna get you killed so dont waste high end skills on it.

Running 7 guns as the OP sugegsted is likely to run you into power level problems in my experience. I would keep a torp up front and go for photon or quantum. The later benefits from high yield etc more, the photon is better fo straight unmodified dps. You might conider shoving a tricolbalt (you cna get a blue one in a mission somewhere IIRC) and when it is ready to pop just show your *** to the target briefly then turn back forward.

As to shields and stuff the Borg retro set is a good place to start for sure but void a regen shield. As an escort your shields are crap anyways. Rely on shield bats+heals to get you back up cos regen aint the way. That said any shield with plasma resist is better than one without.

Somwhere in your BOffs I would defiunitely add AP Beta because that buffs team damage by a lot. I tend to like AP Delta too myself because it a a large def buff for you and a debuff for anything that shoots at you... i.e. blast... I aggroed the boss!

As to consoles, do you have to put the point defence turret in a tac slot? I cant rmember - if not shove it in your worthless science ones.

This is partly guess work and partly experience. I have done almost 200 STSs on my main KDF character and am now looking at fitting out my fed tac with teh same ship you have. These comments are based on my plans for my own toon. but I add with caution, not one I have yet put o the test.
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# 7
01-02-2012, 06:46 PM
In fact in certain STFs you should be looking to hit more than one target often when the situation presents itself. Infected? You want Scatter Volley to melt that ball of nanites heading for you or vape the clumps of spheres your pals leave floating around. Cure? You want Scatter Volley to melt the assimilated ships heading for the Kang or blow away the carrier's fighter wing as soon as it launches. Cruisers don't get enough tac slots to have an AOE attack and sustained single-target DPS. You can.

For my part I run CRF III and I and Scatter Volley II - the first two for shredding big stuff, the last one for shredding interceptors. But mark my words: Those AOE attacks are what wins you the extra salvage from a finished optional objective.
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# 8
01-02-2012, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PlanetOfHats View Post

For my part I run CRF III and I and Scatter Volley II - the first two for shredding big stuff, the last one for shredding interceptors. But mark my words: Those AOE attacks are what wins you the extra salvage from a finished optional objective.
I concede that there are lots of weak mobs that can and should be dealt with by AoE but I maintain that this has to be done cautiously. Using CRF on a spawn that includes a sphere or two on elite is going to get you killed very quickly and that doesnt help anyone.

Hence, taking it as a lower level is suitable but I would maintain that as a top end one it is not. This applies largely for elite though. On normal its a cake-walk anyway.
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# 9
01-02-2012, 07:25 PM
Well, I fly the defiant, but I have gone up against the MVAM escort, and lost terribly. So I then tried the MVAM escort, and just couldn't get the hang of it so I went back to the defiant. The cloak on the defiant is worth it. But you can now take it out if you don't think it is. I would go for the defiant, but it all comes down to which one you like best. The MVAM escort can tank a little better, but you loose offensive abilities. The defiant is going to be much more offensive, but you aren't going to be able to tank as much. The defiant has a better turn rate then the MVAM, but the MVAM escort can turn better after you separate. However, the parts of the MVAM that you aren't flying are very easy to kill. I always go for them first. Hope this helps
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# 10
01-02-2012, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The.Restless.Kaiser
I concede that there are lots of weak mobs that can and should be dealt with by AoE but I maintain that this has to be done cautiously. Using CRF on a spawn that includes a sphere or two on elite is going to get you killed very quickly and that doesnt help anyone.

Hence, taking it as a lower level is suitable but I would maintain that as a top end one it is not. This applies largely for elite though. On normal its a cake-walk anyway.
On elite you shouldn't be the only one who knows to cover the nano groups. On normal, you often are, which is when CSV comes in real damn handy.
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