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# 51
01-13-2012, 12:39 PM
Are you sure it's not a relative slowdown? The Omega shields gave/give huge turnrate boost. Maybe you're just fighting people w/that equiped?
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# 52
01-13-2012, 12:56 PM
iTS A POSSIBILITY, BUT WHO KNOWS?
Thats why I agree that a Dev response and investigation is required as the complaint is sporadic and spread across different players.

For instance, Cruis_in says his Defiant-R is turning slower but that is the vessel I most get out turned by in my Heghta (Tac- which is the ship that seems lsow to me) but my B'rel-R seems fine in the hnds of my Sci.
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# 53
01-13-2012, 01:41 PM
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my B'rel-R seems fine
Likewise. If I can get on someone's tail, I can usually stay there, even if they try to shake me.
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# 54
01-13-2012, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
iTS A POSSIBILITY, BUT WHO KNOWS?
Thats why I agree that a Dev response and investigation is required as the complaint is sporadic and spread across different players.

For instance, Cruis_in says his Defiant-R is turning slower but that is the vessel I most get out turned by in my Heghta (Tac- which is the ship that seems lsow to me) but my B'rel-R seems fine in the hnds of my Sci.
There are a ton of things which effect it now, tb, tach beam doff, cront proc, consoles (theirs and yours), console powers, power drains, set powers, subsystem targeting, power redistribution, devices, etc.

I can't tell if people are describing anecdotal situations or measurable ones. In an arena match I can feel like I'm overturning against 1 target and vastly underturning vs another. I've chalked it up to different builds.
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# 55
01-13-2012, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock_Monster View Post
You probably weren't fully spec'd in all ship ranks, combat manuevers, engine power levels before. Being fully spec'd before S5 and now, every ship's turn rate is lower.

Some rough differences:

Adv Escort - 29.x to 27.x
Heg BoP - 42.x to 39.x
Negh'var - 17.x to 15.x
Galaxy - 10.x to 9.x
Excel - 15 to 14 or 13
AC/SC - 12 to 11 or 10
I have always maxed out the spec's for those. I try to get as much of a turn rate out of a ship that I can. Now the only thing I can think of is that I do have an "efficeinet" BoFF and my toon is a Joined Trill, maybe they did something to boost them??
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# 56 slow down
01-13-2012, 05:46 PM
i have noticed a slow down , mvae was really slow the other day compared to defiant r, but its not right now, will test some more, latest patch fixed it maybe?
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# 57
01-13-2012, 06:42 PM
i dont mean my turn rate has slowed compared to others in combat, i can feel its sluggish. im not only judging by people out turning me in combat. because i know powers and consoles and whole bunch of styff comes into play.
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# 58
01-13-2012, 09:25 PM
responsiveness definitely seems off from when I last played.

I thought it was just me, having not played in a while but maybe not.
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# 59
01-14-2012, 12:11 AM
i always though escorts turned a little to well, with the mvam and bug getting really out of hand. i would not object to a turn rate nerf to them at all, its gotten out of hand
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# 60
01-14-2012, 04:48 AM
I respecced my tac/defiant just yesterday, and I gotta say i definately noticed the turn rate being alot more sluggish than I remember.
I think I didn't notice it till now because I have predominantly been flying my tac/b'rel since the revamp, and I moved that toon from the hegh'ta to the b'rel, which turns better anyway, with the aforementioned revamp.

My tac/defiant uses the aegis engines too... Is this a common factor, by any chance. Perhaps the aegis got stung in the 'balance pass' that the old sets got to make the new stf gear better?
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