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# 11
01-09-2012, 05:59 AM
Picard described his interest in archaeology as a personal hobby. He was offered the chance to follow it as a career path by Galen while at the Academy, but he turned it down. He was a flight controller on the Stargazer before he became the captain, which the shows never quite made up their mind on - sometimes it was tactical, sometimes it was operations.
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# 12
01-09-2012, 06:05 AM
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However, I think you could see secondary specializations for everyone BUT Kirk, who would be Tac/Tac.

Archer, I think, would be Eng/Sci, being big on his scientific mandate.

Picard would be Sci/Tac (in terms of strategy but also movies Picard, who was all Tac).

Sisko would be Eng/Tac (his hand to hand training as a wrestler/boxer and strategic expertise in the Dominion War although he was primarily a ship builder who was good at analyzing ships).

Janeway would be Sci/Eng.(She really liked to second guess B'Elanna and Seven and look over their shoulders on R&D).

In some respects, I think having limited access to a second set of ground and space skills would be more Trek and it would be nice to have freeform speccing as a Gold feature or let us pick a second ground tree with the next rank/level increase.
I disagree... Star Fleet being a military organization would mean that of course each captain would have picked up some combat training along the way, that doesnt mean they specialized in it. So I dont see Picard being Tac at all, and same with Sisko.

Janeway disagreed with the engineers based on her science background and previous experience, that doesnt make her have an engineering background.

Archer just pushing for the science mandate doesnt mean he has any background in science... he is just simply doing his job, which all captains should.

So I'd stick with the original list, it seems accurate.

The way I see it, whether you are ENG/SCI/TAC depends on your background, but you will of course pick stuff up along the way from other career paths (especially by the time you make it to captain). That doesnt make you an expert in those other paths, just familiar
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# 13
01-09-2012, 06:47 AM
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Picard described his interest in archaeology as a personal hobby. He was offered the chance to follow it as a career path by Galen while at the Academy, but he turned it down. He was a flight controller on the Stargazer before he became the captain, which the shows never quite made up their mind on - sometimes it was tactical, sometimes it was operations.
TNG Tapestry pretty much ends any debate on Picard, seeing as it's clear he would have been a science officer had he not been qualified for command. Furthermore, Picard doesn't dispute this fact in the episode as one might expect if Q had completely warped his probable future.

If you are looking solely at canon, Jeslyn's list is right on the money regarding careers. Aside from just titles, there is plenty of evidence to support the claim on screen for each of them. The only one that *might* be debatable is Sisko's shift into a more tactical advisory role in DS9 Season 7, but most on-screen dialogue has clearly pinned him as an engineer before commanding DS9.
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# 14
01-09-2012, 08:09 AM
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Picard described his interest in archaeology as a personal hobby. He was offered the chance to follow it as a career path by Galen while at the Academy, but he turned it down. He was a flight controller on the Stargazer before he became the captain, which the shows never quite made up their mind on - sometimes it was tactical, sometimes it was operations.


Flight Controller would be under Ops. Picard's non-Command uniform is blue, meaning he is is a Science officer. Of course, that is not to say that he could not have branched out and picked up a different task to supplement his repertoire.
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01-09-2012, 08:12 AM
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TNG Tapestry pretty much ends any debate on Picard, seeing as it's clear he would have been a science officer had he not been qualified for command. Furthermore, Picard doesn't dispute this fact in the episode as one might expect if Q had completely warped his probable future.

If you are looking solely at canon, Jeslyn's list is right on the money regarding careers. Aside from just titles, there is plenty of evidence to support the claim on screen for each of them. The only one that *might* be debatable is Sisko's shift into a more tactical advisory role in DS9 Season 7, but most on-screen dialogue has clearly pinned him as an engineer before commanding DS9.
He grew into the tactical role just as much as he grew into his role as Emissary, I suppose. But considering that he was part (head?) of the Defiant design team and he also build his own Bajoran starship and an alien clock indicates pretty well he knew his engineering.
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# 16
01-09-2012, 09:22 AM
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What specialization would the various Star Trek series captains (Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, and *ugh* Archer) be if they were in STO? What abilities have they uses?
Janeway - Tactical - using High Yield Torpedo or Tricobalt Devices (Caretaker Array)
Sisko - Tactical - Attack Patterns and Mines!
Picard - Science - Debuff powers
Kirk - Tactical - Melee Combat and KirkRolling galore
Archer - Science - I just keep thinking sensor scan, its most bizarre.
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# 17
01-09-2012, 09:33 AM
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I agree with these, with the exception of Picard, where I agree with Kobayashi Maru.

While he is certainly a Science officer at heart, he made the distinct decision in his life to pursue Command (which he also takes to heart and to the detriment of some aspects of his life). When I first saw TNG: Tapestry it was like that dream I once had came true. An awesome episode.

Picard in blue/teal click



I am sorry. I do not see what you are objecting to.
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# 18
01-09-2012, 09:35 AM
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I actually answered this the other day in a different thread. It took a bit of research to find each captain's primary training prior to when they took command. Most were only mentioned once or twice in their respective series.

Archer is an Engineering Officer, a Test Pilot

Kirk is a Tactical officer, Hand-to-Hand Specialist.

Picard is a Science officer, an Archeologist.

Sisko is an Engineering Officer, a Starship Design Specialist

Janeway is Science Officer, a Geologist.
Dude, thanks for posting this. A very cool discussion, indeed.

Even though Sisko was an engineer, he loved smaller and sleek ships like the defiant. I would say he would prefer to be a tactical captain flying in an escort.

Kirk, though he loved diplomacy, loved to fire his lasers and was obsessed with flying the best starfleet had to offer (aka their flagship). He would probably be an engineer flying in a tier 5 connie.

Picard, though he loved science and exploration, probably would have scoffed at how pathetic the science ships are in STO. He would definitely go straight for the sovi as an engi. Also, Picard would probably help to orchestrate another peace deal between the Federation and the Klingons so that they can team up against the sneaky Iconians.

Janeway, upon seeing that her tier 5 retrofit voyager's EMH can't speak because Cryptic gave it no voice dialogue, would rage quit STO until a proper EMH could be installed in her sickbay. Chakotay would takeover in the meantime while Tuvok helps the Captain cope with her stress by meditating with her.

Archer, hmm, yeah. He would probably go straight to J'mpok and tell him his people are behaving like cowardly targs. Upon hearing Archer's never more truly spokey words, the chancellor would let him command the new Tier 6 Klingon flagship alongside Whorf in order to eradicate all the houses collaborating with the Romulans.
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# 19
01-09-2012, 09:39 AM
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I actually answered this the other day in a different thread. It took a bit of research to find each captain's primary training prior to when they took command. Most were only mentioned once or twice in their respective series.

Archer is an Engineering Officer, a Test Pilot

Kirk is a Tactical officer, Hand-to-Hand Specialist.

Picard is a Science officer, an Archeologist.

Sisko is an Engineering Officer, a Starship Design Specialist

Janeway is Science Officer, a Geologist.
I'd go with that, though I'd say Archeology was more Picard's hobby than specialty, didn't he major in Astrophysics? (don't ever recall that in any shows so I might have read that in a book which is likely soft-canon anyway). More so, Picard is thoroughly a Command officer, though in STO I'd peg him as Sci.

And possibly that Sisko was more a tac with a special talent for engineering.
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# 20
01-09-2012, 09:44 AM
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I'd go with that, though I'd say Archeology was more Picard's hobby than specialty, didn't he major in Astrophysics? (don't ever recall that in any shows so I might have read that in a book which is likely soft-canon anyway).

In Q's alternate future in 'Tapestry', Picard was an assistant to the Astrophysics Officer. Is that perhaps what you are think of?
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