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Lt. Commander
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I just got the game last week, and I noticed one thing: the Akira Class is weaker in every way than the Defiant Class. why is a heavy escort weaker than a tactical escort. Ok, so the tactical escort could be more maneuverable. I can accept that. But ever since Star Trek Armada, I have always wanted my own Akira Class starship. I finally get the chance, but I discover it's really not that good, as the tactical escorts are better than heavy escorts.

It just sounds wierd on two levels to me. In previous video games, the Akira class was better. And in the human mind, heavy escorts should have stronger armor at the very least compared to the word tactical.

I understand this is a baby-ish argument. I was just disappointed in finding out my dream star ship got beat by something that I thought was considered in Star Trek to be a weaker ship (the Defiant Class).

Just tryin' to pass the time till the server is back up....
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# 2
01-16-2012, 04:49 PM
Well it is canon that the Defiant is one of the most powerful ships Starfleet has, so I can understand it being more powerful than the Akira, as much as I like the Akira. Plus they have to tier the ships some way. Personally, the main problem I have with the Akira is that I don't think it should be an Escort at all. It's similar in size to an Excelsior, should really be a cruiser. Looks and feels too big.

What games was the Akira better in? I can only think of Armada, and that's because the Defiant is one of the weakest ships in that game. That's not right either.
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# 3
01-16-2012, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hot-Cancer View Post
Well it is canon that the Defiant is one of the most powerful ships Starfleet has, so I can understand it being more powerful than the Akira, as much as I like the Akira. Plus they have to tier the ships some way. Personally, the main problem I have with the Akira is that I don't think it should be an Escort at all. It's similar in size to an Excelsior, should really be a cruiser. Looks and feels too big.

What games was the Akira better in? I can only think of Armada, and that's because the Defiant is one of the weakest ships in that game. That's not right either.
I can agree with your descriptions. Akira is a bigger ship, a mix between a cruiser and escort. But the ships do have to be tiered in some way, so I suppose they got the smaller end of the stick. It fits a larger crew (which has been downsized to 100 in STO when I was under the assumption is was usually 250-500). Defiant is a crew of 50. Yes, defiant is a war ship.

I'm a whiner. I love the Akira and dislike the Defiant, so I just wanted to complain. When looked at, it sounds like the Akira should be stronger than it is.
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# 4
01-16-2012, 06:04 PM
It is because they didn't have a good Tier 3 Escort, so they slotted the Akira in that tier instead of a higher tier.
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# 5
01-16-2012, 06:08 PM
There should be a tier 5 Akira. I know there have been several threads requesting it. Just another thing that they SHOULD have done, and have chosen not do to.
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# 6
01-16-2012, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Becca12424
But the ships do have to be tiered in some way,
Only because Cryptic wants to force STO into the typical MMO mold. If they'd make each ship unique, with its own advantages and disadvantages, it'd be much closer to canon, and still allow for balance.

A few examples:

Defiant:
- advantage: fast, maneuverable, powerful.
- disadvantage: very little storage or power reserves, low crew, low damage threshold.



Sovereign:
- advantage: large, strong hull, high power reserves, big shuttlebay
- disadvantage: harder to maneuver, less concentrated firepower, easy to hit.

Negh'var:
- advantage: big guns, heavy armor, large crew
- disadvantage: extremely slow to maneuver, very easy to hit


Obviously it'd be a little more complicated, but it'd make more sense to have every ship be viable with its own unique qualities. Watch the Voy: "Equinox" sometime. If a Nova class can give an Intrepid class trouble, then any ship can beat any other ship with the right captain at its helm. And that's the important part... the captain. not the ship itself.
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# 7
01-16-2012, 08:16 PM
In what way is the firepower less concentrated?

Quote:
Sovereign:
- advantage: large, strong hull, high power reserves, big shuttlebay
- disadvantage: harder to maneuver, less concentrated firepower, easy to hit.
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# 8
01-16-2012, 09:21 PM
Canonically, it was light on phasers for its size, had no cannons, and while it had many torpedo tubes, they were arrayed for directional coverage, not concentrated firepower - normally it couldn't bring more than a couple at once to bear on a single target.
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# 9
01-16-2012, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Becca12424

I'm a whiner. I love the Akira and dislike the Defiant, so I just wanted to complain. When looked at, it sounds like the Akira should be stronger than it is.
Hahahahaha. This.
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# 10
01-17-2012, 01:57 AM
you have every right to be confused about the tier order of escorts, they got just about all the ship ranking wrong. the defiant's size would classify it as a corvette, smaller then a frigate. its powerful for its size though, its got the firepower of a heavy destroyer, and its a match for an 80 year old light cruiser. its got nothing on a gunboat heavy cruiser like the akira though.

the akira has up to 15 small burst or single shot torpedo launchers, providing it with battleship levels of torpedo firepower, and its top phaser arrays is longer then its big brother the sovereigns top phaser array. by all rights it should outgun a sovereign, but the sovereign benefits from being 1.7 times larger and is at least more durable as a result. by 2409 their technology levels would be even with each other, but the sovereign has more room for general purpose equipment.

the escorts should have been tiered as such-
tier 2 saber
tier 3 defiant
tier 4 current fleet escort
tier 5 akira and Prometheus

that would have been closer to canon. the Prometheus is not even close to being as powerful as most people think it is, and shouldn't be top tier ether, but that's another discussion.
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