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First off, let's go with the actual broken mechanics.

Through testing, it has been determined that the 10% energy resist is broken and it's actually granting far more, somewhere within the 50-75% range. For more detailed information and the hard data on testing, check the PvP forums.

Now for the technical aspect of it.

The MACO shield is basically a Resilient [Cap]x4 shield with a [Pla] modifier, a never-before-seen 10% all energy resist modifier, and a bonus proc of +2 energy (stacking) when taking all damage. That gives it a total of 7 modifiers.

The maximum modifier for any other non-set shield is 3. By giving MACO 7, it more than doubles what is available elsewhere. Sure, the argument can be made that you have to grind for the shield so it's ok that it's slightly better, but that's 1 extra modifier at most. Not 4. Foxrocks does an excellent write -up and comparison here.

By doing so, all other non-grind gear is immediately invalidated. The exception being the Breen (even the Aegis you have to grind for dilithium to craft with), but the Breen is horribly underpowered and those Resilient Shields don't even come close to being half of what the MACO are.

Even compared to the other STF sets (Borg, Omega, KHG), the MACO shields are by far the best. As it stands now, MACO and 3 pieces of the Borg set (which actually got an indirect buff...) are now standard issue for PvP. It's destroying gear diversity.

Disclaimer: Let's avoid the whole "You just don't want to adapt" speech. This is not an issue of that. The shields are quite clearly broken mechanically , they're giving far higher of a resist than they should be. That's only part of the problem. The issue is that it's far superior to every other shield, such that using any other shield is putting yourself at a disadvantage.
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# 2
01-26-2012, 07:52 AM
Suddenly I want the XII version of this shield/set *very* badly......
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# 3
01-26-2012, 07:54 AM
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By doing so, all other non-grind gear is immediately invalidated.
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Even compared to the other STF sets (Borg, Omega, KHG), the MACO shields are by far the best.
Granted if the shield is resisting more than advertised it should be fixed. In my experience though the MACO set seems to draw insane aggro in elite STFs. It may be superior to the Borg set but at least with the latter I'm less likely to become the prey animal.

Regarding the rest of your case, non-grind gear is the path to grind gear. So of course a captain will outgrow them. Frankly I think that is at it should be. My first car was a clunker - I eventually worked my way to a nice convertible. The clunker remains a clunker (well actually it is probably a brick of steel somewhere).

If anything this is an argument to beef up the Omega and KHG. The Borg set is ridiculously easy to get, especially for its benefits.

Anyway, to the core point it's a no brainer to agree that it should be fixed if the MACO shield is behaving contrary to posted stats.
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# 4
01-26-2012, 08:00 AM
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Suddenly I want the XII version of this shield/set *very* badly......
While it is certainly nice, the extra cap on the XI vs the X is certainly not worth twice the grind (imo).

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Granted if the shield is resisting more than advertised it should be fixed. In my experience though the MACO set seems to draw insane aggro in elite STFs. It may be superior to the Borg set but at least with the latter I'm less likely to become the prey animal.
MACO is pretty much the best shield you can get for STFs. You want Resilients with as high of a Cap and as much [Pla] resist as you can get :p
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# 5 Klingon Version
01-26-2012, 08:01 AM
Is there a IKS version and how do I get it, I'm tired of getting waxed in PvP by esorts who an take on 3-5 ships and not take any damage.
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# 6
01-26-2012, 08:06 AM
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MACO is pretty much the best shield you can get for STFs. You want Resilients with as high of a Cap and as much [Pla] resist as you can get :p
True, and if I go hybrid 3 borg / 1maco the aggro is not bad. Fit all three maco and for some reason Tac cubes and Donatra think the engineer in a cruiser is a bigger threat than any team of tac escorts.

I only have one piece of MK XII and that is Omega. Omega does nothing for me as an engineer in a fleet escort.

But not to derail. Your core point seems to be PvP diversity which, tbh, is a never ending battle. It is a balance between 100% diversity so every EQ is the same as the other, or rock/paper/scissors where the fun is finding combinations fewer players can counter. For over two decades most games choose to favor the latter. Sometimes severely. Because most PvPrs are min/max at heart.
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# 7
01-26-2012, 08:09 AM
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My first car was a clunker - .
Are you calling my Aegis set a clunker? :p

(I remember when it was the hottest hotcake in the bakery)
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# 8
01-26-2012, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Grannamoth
Is there a IKS version and how do I get it, I'm tired of getting waxed in PvP by esorts who an take on 3-5 ships and not take any damage.
The Klingon equivalent to MACO is the Honor Guard shield. It's a Covariant Shield with a proc that placates (Jam Sensors) your enemy for 1-2 seconds and provides a -25% accuracy debuff on them. Perfect for escaping Tractors and Tachyon Beams.

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Originally Posted by Pococurante
But not to derail. Your core point seems to be PvP diversity which, tbh, is a never ending battle. It is a balance between 100% diversity so every EQ is the same as the other, or rock/paper/scissors where the fun is finding combinations fewer players can counter. For over two decades most games choose to favor the latter. Sometimes severely. Because most PvPrs are min/max at heart.
Before at least you'd see some people going 2 Aegis/2Borg or 3 Borg, with different shield/deflector combos. Now, if you're not using MACO and 3 Borg, you're just handicapping yourself.
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# 9
01-26-2012, 08:18 AM
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Are you calling my Aegis set a clunker? :p

(I remember when it was the hottest hotcake in the bakery)
LOL!. The first new car I bought "off the lot" was the cheapest Honda Civic they had. But it was new and I loved it.

Maybe not a clunker but I ain't driving it now...

I really wish the MACO Graviton Beam had some decent repel. Even a probe just kind of blinks at me when I try to push it and then keeps on rolling. The damage is supposed to be half the Spinal Lance but I doubt that (I'm hitting with both).
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Before at least you'd see some people going 2 Aegis/2Borg or 3 Borg, with different shield/deflector combos. Now, if you're not using MACO and 3 Borg, you're just handicapping yourself.
Yeah I can see how that would be the case. IMO though the problem is the Borg set is just too easy to get now. It is more of a grind to collect Aegis components than the salvage for a full Borg set. I honestly thought Cryptic would make the Borg set more grindy for F2P - I shook my head when I realized nope, Borg sets for everyone with purchase of a cup of coffee.
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# 10
01-26-2012, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Grannamoth
Is there a IKS version and how do I get it, I'm tired of getting waxed in PvP by esorts who an take on 3-5 ships and not take any damage.

This. Exactly this. Klingon Honor Guard or the Omega Force shield are decent, but not MACO style.

For 30 EDC's and one mission you can have the 3 piece borg and MK X MACO and considerably increase your ships capabilities. No need to wait for MK XI. The increase from X to XI is just a small increment compared to the huge gap between MACO and anything else.

Of course I have sets of them. It just sucks the fun right the hell out of PvP. I now fight two types of opponents. Those that blow up, and those that don't. And it takes about five seconds tops to tell who is who. Sustained ability to take damage and sustained periods of high speed maneuvers are combining to put escorts solidly in the lead over the other ship classes.

So sure the bug you pointed out certainly needs to be fixed. In addition you made note that the MACO shield invalidates all other gear. Indeed it does.

On a side note have you tried the 2 piece Breen with the MACO shield? Are you going for increased Torpedo output? I don't feel overpowered enough yet today so I need ideas.
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