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# 21
01-27-2012, 05:22 PM
What I'd like to see:

consoles: 3/3/3
add Sensor Analisys (http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=135)
It also would be great if the Odyessy could use escort/sci/cruiser universal console (or sci/ cruiser at least)
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# 22
01-27-2012, 05:30 PM
I find the stats are perfectly fine where they are. Ive been using the Galaxy X and the Exploration Refit before that and the assault cruiser before that.

As cruisers go this ship rocks.

The first thing people seem to mess up with is a cruiser is a tanking platform. Its not a gun ship but I understand some people desire to make it one. Its not really a healing boat but it can do some of that. Its not a science ship but again I can see that some people want to try that and if you do great. But stop trying to think of the ship as something its not.

A cruiser is not a DPS boat if you can get decent dps good for you but your dps is secondary.

A cruiser is not a disabling boat if you can toss in a few and get decent results again thats great but its secondary.

A cruiser is a tank that is its primary function to be the anchor of an encounter and the new Odyssey excels in this role.


In pvp your job is to stay alive with the least amount of effort soaking up damage while aiding your teammates.

In pve you should be up front taking the big hits (which works out better now with threat control)

The odyssey can do these well.


The one and only change I suggest is the addition of an ability.
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# 23
01-27-2012, 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by convoy7734
What I'd like to see:

consoles: 3/3/3
add Sensor Analisys (http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...&postcount=135)
It also would be great if the Odyessy could use escort/sci/cruiser universal console (or sci/ cruiser at least)
Congrats you just destroyed the tanking of the ship. Its a cruiser anything less than 4 Engineering slots is wrong.
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# 24
01-27-2012, 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Latinumbar
Nothing personal, but whether or not a star cruiser is interesting is a matter of personal opinion. There are players in my fleet that pretty much fly the star cruiser exclusively for PVE. It's not my personal style, but it is for them. (and btw they are REALLY looking forward to getting their hands on the Odyssey for obvious reasons). And I DO see star cruisers in the STFs. I'm sure Cryptic can data mine the player base and see how many players use it.
I'm sure this is all true, and I don't want to tell anyone else how to play. That being said, the first thing I think to myself when I see a Star Cruiser in a STF is - well, I guess we're not getting the optional...
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# 25
01-27-2012, 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vexiom
I'm sure this is all true, and I don't want to tell anyone else how to play. That being said, the first thing I think to myself when I see a Star Cruiser in a STF is - well, I guess we're not getting the optional...
You must have been around horrible star cruiser pilots and thus are emulating that belief onto others. Sorta like the target the galaxy retrofit thing.
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# 26
01-27-2012, 05:40 PM
Captain Brown:
Is "survivability" actually at all relevant in the game as it currently exists? Vexiom's first post on this thread seems to say it is not. Would you care to address those points?
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# 27 bridge
01-27-2012, 05:42 PM
I have to admit I am very disappointed with the bridge. Hope its just there as a place holder, cuz its too big...
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# 28
01-27-2012, 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by captain Brown
Congrats you just destroyed the tanking of the ship. Its a cruiser anything less than 4 Engineering slots is wrong.
Heck, even the Jem'hadar escort has 4 engineering consoles.

The stats are fine. It's really an uber star cruiser at the end of the day, not an uber assault cruiser like some people want it to be. It's designed to be the ultra tank cruiser, to the Bortas ultra DPS cruiser.

As a PvPer who prefers to be a damage dealer then a healer, it's not my kind of ship. It should be useful for PvE and normal STF though damage wise if you use the lt cmdr universal slot for a tact.
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# 29
01-27-2012, 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by captain Brown
A cruiser is not a DPS boat if you can get decent dps good for you but your dps is secondary.

A cruiser is not a disabling boat if you can toss in a few and get decent results again thats great but its secondary.

A cruiser is a tank that is its primary function to be the anchor of an encounter and the new Odyssey excels in this role.


In pvp your job is to stay alive with the least amount of effort soaking up damage while aiding your teammates.

In pve you should be up front taking the big hits (which works out better now with threat control)
This is good a concept, and may even be true when it comes to PvP. However, in STFs, being a tank is generally not much help to your team - especially in normal mode. As I have said and personally experienced - in normal mode STFs, a competent escort can tank just as well as a cruiser, while being far more maneuverable and doing far more damage. And what is worse is that the STFs appear to be balanced around that level of performance.

So, if this ship is to be an asset in STFs instead of a detriment, either the ship has to change or the way STFs are designed has to change. I suspect it is too late for the later, so here we are. Once these things are released, they are going to be used in droves, not because they are or are not good, but because they are new, and free, and "the enterprise." So, it would be really nice if they were at were capable of at least a passable level of performance while doing STFs.

To get there, the Odyssey needs... something. Maybe another Tac console. Maybe sensor analysis. Maybe something else. But at the listed stats it is just another space whale in a fancy costume. I'm really sorry, but that is the truth.
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# 30
01-27-2012, 05:53 PM
I haven't logged in to see it yet, but hearing about the large bridge is disappointing. Maybe someone can post some screens for others to see?

While it's great to have a new bridge for this ship, I thought moving forward the plan was to shoot for more reasonably-sized bridges/interiors.

My only guess is that maybe it's so large for upcoming FEs. Either way, kinda sad to hear.
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