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Lt. Commander
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ern.... just by looking at the stats on paper, dont look to good, one has a distinct advantage over the other..... or is that me just looking too deep?

(Klingon)

Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device Slots: 4
Console Upgrades: 4 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 1 Science

Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal

Hull Strength: 43,500
Maximum Warp: 9.96
Turn Rate: 5.5
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Shield Modifier: 1.0

+15 Power to Weapons, +5 Power to Engines
Standard Cloaking Device
Can Equip Cannons



(Federation)

Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Device Slots: 4
Console Upgrades: 2 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 3 Science

Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Commander Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal

Hull Strength: 42,000
Maximum Warp: 9.996
Turn Rate: 6
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Shield Modifier: 1.15
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# 2
01-26-2012, 08:33 PM
Im holding judgement until I can experience both in combat. Also if it hasn't been changed, I believe the Odyssey gets +10 Power to Shields and +10 Power to Auxiliary.
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# 3
01-26-2012, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DoobiusMaximus View Post
Im holding judgement until I can experience both in combat. Also if it hasn't been changed, I believe the Odyssey gets +10 Power to Shields and +10 Power to Auxiliary.
and the Bortas gets +15 to weapons and +5 to engines. This combined with it's 4 tac console slots give you the potential to build a truly deadly ship. The Odyssey, by comparison, looks set to become the next "Zombie" cruiser in PvP. The undead will truly be powerful then. I like flying cruisers, steady DPS and healing can be quite fun, but if you are anything other than an engineer and you put anything other than an engineer in the Universal slot, you are dead before you leave Spacedock. The only Captain type, IMO, that will be able to use this ship to its full potential are Engineers. Everyone else will become very squishy if the give up the ability to chain high-level heals.

Yes, I know you can use Aux/Sci heals, but why? Engy heals have shorter cooldowns. So a skilled enemy will simply wait until that TSS3 or HE3 is on cd.

That said, if you put an Engineering Captain in one and load out with a LtC Tac officer, what powers would you use? Torpedo buffs? Nope, turn rate to low. FAW, probably. Attack Patterns? I like that one actually, maybe APB to further assist the team. But if you want to do that, why not just get in an excelsior? Then you can mix in some torpedoes and increase your burst potential. ANd still have Commander, Lt. and Ens Eng slot available for chaining resistances.

I don't see anything this ship can do better than others already available other than being a pure Healer, that's it.

The Bortas, on the other hand, can still be set up like a standard cruiser, but with the advantage of being able to use consoles to boost their damage. A little less survivable? I don't see it, it still has 4 engineering console slots. 1 sci slot a problem? Nope, it's useless, just stick your borg console there, or 1 shield healing console since you can't boost hull heals anymore. On top of that, it does get the aforementioned +15 to weapons, lol. Add in the cloak and you've got a deadly man of war. I even think it would be easier in this ship to use a Tac or Sci in that LtC slot since the damage can be boosted to the point where your offense becomes a huge part of your defense.

Just my 2 cents though, and pure theory-crafting since neither has been flown yet. Still, using what we already have and their capabilities as a base, then comparing them to the stats of the Bortas and Odyssey, leads me to believe the Feds got short-end on this one. Another Zombie? Really, Cryptic? Really?
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# 4
01-27-2012, 04:05 PM
the Bortas looks to be a truly tac cruiser throw in things like and RMC and Devidian Device it has the "POTENTIAL" to be OP especially with the pluses to systems. throw in the possibility of APO with A2ID I can someone throwing CRF1 x 2 on it with HYT1 X 2 plus and throw in 3-4 possible eng heals plus 2 sci heals.
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# 5
01-27-2012, 04:09 PM
Even with A2IS and APO, those give % increases and a large % increase on a 5.5 turn rate still gets you a pretty pathetic turn rate
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# 6
01-27-2012, 07:56 PM
Keep in mind that the ability to mount Dual (Heavy) Cannons on something with a 5.5 turn rate is utterly inconsequential.

I honestly don't think it's THAT big of an imbalance; even with 4 Tac consoles, due to it's turn rate, the Bortas will have a difficult time using beams. Even then, it's only a ~25% damage increase over existing Tac-based Cruisers. The Odyssey's shield modifier is way more valuable, imo.

Though I am SO tempted to try 8x Turrets with DEM 3.
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# 7
01-27-2012, 09:19 PM
I'd say the Odyssey is by far the better ship. Better shields by a large margin, better healing capability.

Honestly if you want a DPS cruiser as a KDF, why not a Vor'cha? The Bortas only makes a good beam boat, and well, who cares about beam boats? I'm not sure its a better healer than the Negh'var or Orion ship either, lacking science consoles. A Vo'quv is probably better for that even.

Are beam escorts scary? The Bortas is worse at it than they are.
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# 8
01-27-2012, 11:13 PM
I'd take the klingon one over the federation one anyday.
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# 9
01-28-2012, 03:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
I honestly don't think it's THAT big of an imbalance; even with 4 Tac consoles, due to it's turn rate, the Bortas will have a difficult time using beams. Even then, it's only a ~25% damage increase over existing Tac-based Cruisers. The Odyssey's shield modifier is way more valuable, imo.
Having flown it on tribble, I can verify that the Bortas is very slow.
Very difficult to maintain a broadside.

We can all try it for yourselves as the Bortas and Odyssey are on tribble, sans skins. Not point saying OP without having tried it now, is there
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# 10
01-28-2012, 08:45 AM
doing a turret beam combo with the Bortas on tribble. CSV + FaW, and weapons power stays decent the whole time. Not gonna with torps on this one. This is what the Fed dreadnaught cruiser should prob have been back in the day. Oh well :-p
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