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# 21
01-28-2012, 11:43 PM
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Has anyone tested these yet? Does the Bortas pWn the Odyssey or what?
A fleetmate and I just did a couple rounds of testing.

With me in the Bortas I "pWn"ed his Odyssey every time. Sometimes really really quickly.

WIth me in an Odyssey (with a similar loadout as my Bortas) vs his Odyssey it was nearly an even match. I still won out, but they were much much slower kills.


My own impression is that the Bortas is the better ship, but I admit I have only a small testing sample to draw from.
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# 22
01-28-2012, 11:52 PM
Out of curiosity what classes were your captains and what boff layouts did you two use? I'd be intrested in finding out if the Tac heavy Odyssey is really the paper tiger I think it is. And if the Eng heavy one is like throwing rocks at a brick wall.
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# 23
01-29-2012, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bigduckie
just had a mini 1v1 with a borta I out dps and healed him xD. ofc this means nothing as player skill and builds come into play but still amusing.

He actually used cannons. I LOL'd


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Originally Posted by bigduckie
ody holding off 2 bortas and still going on as i type and WHALING one borta dangerously low.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4783/roflwp.png

I should repeat these may be unoptimized builds but it sure looks like they are even.

Only pve heroes and pvpers who are out for a laugh will use cannons on the borta.

We have the Vorcha. Why would we switch to a subpar slower ship to use cannons?

The vorcha and negvar still make better beam boats also.
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# 24
01-29-2012, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CivilPhil
A fleetmate and I just did a couple rounds of testing.

With me in the Bortas I "pWn"ed his Odyssey every time. Sometimes really really quickly.
I also remember a guy saying that Jem'hadar Attack Ship was no better than a Fleet Escort since he constantly beat them.
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# 25
01-29-2012, 10:25 AM
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Out of curiosity what classes were your captains and what boff layouts did you two use? I'd be intrested in finding out if the Tac heavy Odyssey is really the paper tiger I think it is. And if the Eng heavy one is like throwing rocks at a brick wall.
For the Bortas vs Odyssey tests - My Captain was a Tac, his was an Eng,

For the Odyssey vs Odyssey tests - we were both Eng.

His Eng had trouble getting through my Eng's shields and thus hull as well.

Of course, this is a nearly irrelevant sample size. We'll see what happens. :


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I also remember a guy saying that Jem'hadar Attack Ship was no better than a Fleet Escort since he constantly beat them.
Wasn't me. :p
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# 26
01-29-2012, 11:06 AM
after playing even further with the bortas (maybe it is because the only ship I can compare with the turnrate is the Voq), i feel the 'reach' is off.
For example, when I defend that that deuterium supply place, I attack one ship, but to turn around to get the others attacking the supply containers i have a hard time getting to them before they do alot of damage because of how slow I am.
It is fustrating to not have a way of not having the 'dexterity'.
I would have a hard time destroying probes in Kitomer Accords, space with it.
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# 27
01-29-2012, 01:16 PM
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The Odyssey isn't the "flagship." The Odyssey is just a class of ship. The Ent-F is the Flagship, and it's probably the +1 version in the C-Store.
Technically, Star Cruisers are the flagships of fleets as described by Cryptic. The Enterprise is the flagship of the entire Federation. Confusing, I know.

The same goes for the Battle Cruisers on the KDF side.
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# 28
01-29-2012, 02:07 PM
The confusion about the flagship designation? it's usually designated a flagship when a flag officer, that is a commanding officer who has the authorization to lead a fleet can take command of any ship he likes and lead that ship and it's fleet into battle. i may remind you that even something like a cargo barge can become a flagship if a flag officer is onboard and can relay commands to his fleet.

now the problem is how can you explain the enterprise-E and the enterprise-F? that i would like to see some explaining on.
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# 29
01-29-2012, 02:19 PM
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The confusion about the flagship designation? it's usually designated a flagship when a flag officer, that is a commanding officer who has the authorization to lead a fleet can take command of any ship he likes and lead that ship and it's fleet into battle. i may remind you that even something like a cargo barge can become a flagship if a flag officer is onboard and can relay commands to his fleet.

now the problem is how can you explain the enterprise-E and the enterprise-F? that i would like to see some explaining on.
in star trek "flagship" has been understood as the most prestigious and/or advanced ship in starfleet, when the enterprise-d was launched it became the flagship of the federation because the ship's design and the crew were the best of the best and from the prestige factor i think it remained the flagship until it blew up

only thing the star trek starfleet term "flagship" has in common with the real world "flagship" is that its the same word, the meaning is different in starfleet
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# 30
01-29-2012, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Zandrominus
in star trek "flagship" has been understood as the most prestigious and/or advanced ship in starfleet, when the enterprise-d was launched it became the flagship of the federation because the ship's design and the crew were the best of the best and from the prestige factor i think it remained the flagship until it blew up

only thing the star trek starfleet term "flagship" has in common with the real world "flagship" is that its the same word, the meaning is different in starfleet

then explain how a small intrepid light cruiser with VADM William Ross onboard during the latter part of the DS9 arc became flagship? because he was a flag officer and chose that ship. if Picard chose the USS Brittain, an old miranda frigate instead of the ent-D, that ship would of been designated flagship and the ent-D would just be another statistic like the USS Venture and USS Majestic.
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