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# 21
02-06-2012, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Yreodred

Except that i find the Odyssey ugly, unpropotioned and much to slow turning.
My point was that, i would be hyppy if +1 Star Cruisers would get a universal Lt. Cmdr BO slot, just like the Odyssey.
A universal Console would help to make the Star Cruiser more a unique Cruiser than just a flying hospital.
Especially the Avenger Class (what a name for a healing vessel) would be great if it could be used for more offensive tactics.


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How about just trade the ensign sci spot for a commander sci and call it a day??? But we do have to uglyfy it a little to justify it...
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# 22
02-06-2012, 09:20 PM
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How about just trade the ensign sci spot for a commander sci and call it a day??? But we do have to uglyfy it a little to justify it...
I am not sure i understand completely....

I like if i have the choice, if i want to use want to use a engineer, sci or even tactical officer on my ship, but only 2 Federation vessels give me that option (Nebula and Odyseey).
If i had the choice i would use a tac Lt.cmdr on my personal avenger Star Cruiser and lay havok onto my enemies.
Seriously i think that a Universal Lt. or Lt. Cmdr BO slot should be given every VA ship.


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# 23
02-07-2012, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Yreodred

I am not sure i understand completely....

I like if i have the choice, if i want to use want to use a engineer, sci or even tactical officer on my ship, but only 2 Federation vessels give me that option (Nebula and Odyseey).
If i had the choice i would use a tac Lt.cmdr on my personal avenger Star Cruiser and lay havok onto my enemies.
Seriously i think that a Universal Lt. or Lt. Cmdr BO slot should be given every VA ship.


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And what are you willing to give up for that universal slot? Slower turn rate?
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# 24
02-07-2012, 10:55 AM
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And what are you willing to give up for that universal slot? Slower turn rate?
I would love to give the Ensign or Lieutenant Sci slot for a Universal Lt. Cmdr. on a possible +1 Star Cruiser.

To prevent any confusion i would rather have this BO layout instead of the BO layout we have now.
1 Tac Lt.
1 Engineering CMDR.
1 Universal Lt. Cmdr.
1 Universal Lieutenant or Ensign (being courageous today )

-1 science console
+1 universal console

That my absolute dream BO layout. Combined with the Avenger Star Cruiser skin it would be the perfect ship for me (just dreaming ).

With a BO layout like this everyone could optimize this ship to fit each ones playstyle best.

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# 25
02-07-2012, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Yreodred

I would love to give the Ensign or Lieutenant Sci slot for a Universal Lt. Cmdr. on a possible +1 Star Cruiser.

To prevent any confusion i would rather have this BO layout instead of the BO layout we have now.
1 Tac Lt.
1 Engineering CMDR.
1 Universal Lt. Cmdr.
1 Universal Lieutenant or Ensign (being courageous today )

-1 science console
+1 universal console

That my absolute dream BO layout. Combined with the Avenger Star Cruiser skin it would be the perfect ship for me (just dreaming ).

With a BO layout like this everyone could optimize this ship to fit each ones playstyle best.

Live long and prosper.
The problem with that is theres no static science BOFF, which makes no sense for a Star Cruiser.
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# 26
02-07-2012, 01:10 PM
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And what are you willing to give up for that universal slot? Slower turn rate?
Ummm ... Can you say Odyssey?

Seriously ... We don't want another Odyssey class (beyond the +1).

That said, I could live with it being the opposite of the Excelsior with a LCDR Sci (loosing the ens slot) although I would rather they introduce a new cruiser about the size of Excelsior instead.

Heck ... Here is what I would recommend ....

Make a 2409 skin for the Excelsior that would fit into the current verse and put it in the C-Store ... is the sci-cruiser counterpart to the tac Excel ... just as you have two versions of the Advanced Escort.

Then, have those who buy it unlock the ability to use the skin on the existing Excelsior and vice-versa.

Regading the Star Cruiser ... Didn't Geko say on the Priority One podcast that one option might be to give the Star Cruiser a better turn rate over Sovereign to balance for the lesser DPS?
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# 27
02-07-2012, 04:07 PM
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The problem with that is theres no static science BOFF, which makes no sense for a Star Cruiser.
Who says that a Star cruiser needs to have a static Science BO slot in order to be a Star Cruiser?
Everyone who wants a Lt.Cmdr Sci can do so, but i think that more flexibility would make it a awesome ship for Starfleet.
I think the star cruiser design deserves to more than just being Starfleets healboat, i think it should be the 25th centure counterpsrt to the 24th century Excelsior.
In my opinion, a Galaxy claa can work nearly as good as Healboat, for bigger fleet engagements. The Star cruisers as it is now is much to defensive for my taste.
A Galaxy -R can seperate and be more offensive if the player thinks that he needs to. But a Star Cruiser has no "offensive Mode" whatshowever. I think the whole star Cruiser = Healboat concept needs to be reconsidered IMHO.
A star Cruiser with a universal Lt. Cmdr. and a universal Lt. or Ensign would be just the thing what starfleet needs.

I thinkt the devs should make a alternative version of the Star Cruiser and give it into the C-Store, just as they did with the Advanced Escort.


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# 28
02-07-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Yreodred

Who says that a Star cruiser needs to have a static Science BO slot in order to be a Star Cruiser?
Everyone who wants a Lt.Cmdr Sci can do so, but i think that more flexibility would make it a awesome ship for Starfleet.
I think the star cruiser design deserves to more than just being Starfleets healboat, i think it should be the 25th centure counterpsrt to the 24th century Excelsior.
In my opinion, a Galaxy claa can work nearly as good as Healboat, for bigger fleet engagements. The Star cruisers as it is now is much to defensive for my taste.
A Galaxy -R can seperate and be more offensive if the player thinks that he needs to. But a Star Cruiser has no "offensive Mode" whatshowever. I think the whole star Cruiser = Healboat concept needs to be reconsidered IMHO.
A star Cruiser with a universal Lt. Cmdr. and a universal Lt. or Ensign would be just the thing what starfleet needs.

I thinkt the devs should make a alternative version of the Star Cruiser and give it into the C-Store, just as they did with the Advanced Escort.


Live long and prosper.
What I will say is this. When I was first at end game with my Fed characters ... I went for the Star Cruiser .... dropped it because as pretty as it is ... it lacked ...umph.

Picked it up a few times along the way again but ... always let it go again for the same reasons.

It simply is lacking. So yeah ... She needs a change and honestly ... Thought she'd make a great flight-deck cruiser.
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# 29
02-07-2012, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by P-A-T-H-F-I-N-D-E-R
Ummm ... Can you say Odyssey?

Seriously ... We don't want another Odyssey class (beyond the +1).

That said, I could live with it being the opposite of the Excelsior with a LCDR Sci (loosing the ens slot) although I would rather they introduce a new cruiser about the size of Excelsior instead.

Heck ... Here is what I would recommend ....

Make a 2409 skin for the Excelsior that would fit into the current verse and put it in the C-Store ... is the sci-cruiser counterpart to the tac Excel ... just as you have two versions of the Advanced Escort.

Then, have those who buy it unlock the ability to use the skin on the existing Excelsior and vice-versa.

Regading the Star Cruiser ... Didn't Geko say on the Priority One podcast that one option might be to give the Star Cruiser a better turn rate over Sovereign to balance for the lesser DPS?
Thats actually where I was going with my statement. The direction he was going was pretty much going to turn it into another Odyssey.

As far as S.C. having less D.P.S. than an A.C., I cant really see the difference, the ensign tactical adds attack flexibility more than it does dps.
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# 30
02-08-2012, 08:27 PM
Just a personal note:
The more i fly this beautiful ship (Avenger Star Cruiser) the more annoyed i get.
This ship as beautiful as it is, is just one of the most unfitting ship in the game, at least for my playstyle.
I konw in serveral months i will try it again and come to the same conclusion: this ship just has not enough firepower, turnrate, ore tac bo slots.
A science Lt and a ensign, wow great.
Just 2 tac powers...

Why did the devs had to waste such a beautiful ship design to the most boring ship in the game, couldn't they just take the Fleet escort design for that role?

I am sorry but i am really annoyed at the moment.
I am not going to continue in this matter ... just ... ANNOYED!!
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