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# 31
02-01-2012, 09:41 AM
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Scott Bakula: I love Bakula, I worship Bakula, and he is just not being utilized. He is an actor who excels at comedic timing. Why make him the blandest Captain on the planet? He's like a big old slice of white bread in a jumpsuit, and I know he can be so much more. I mean, you could have cast someone else as the Captain and made him just as bland. Why sign on Bakula and just give him nothing to work with?

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Dear Doctor: Seriously? I thought it was a great episode and then they continue that senseless harping on the prime directive in a situation that doesn't make sense. Its a disease, genetic or not Phlox is a Doctor. It continues to propagate that naive attitude of how the Prime Directive should be applied. That it should be an excuse not to help rather than a way of protecting a culture.
I enjoyed Enterprise, they had some good ones in there. But I found Bakula's pacing during ship to ship conversations to be annoying after a while.

Also the Prime Directive doesn't exist yet. If you get passed the flawed science behind the premise, the episode "Dear Doctor" was actually decent. I walked away from this trying to figure out what I would have done if I was the captain and didn't have some prime directive handed to me to fall back on. For all the options Archer was given, all of them invariably meant one of these two races were going to suffer.
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# 32
02-01-2012, 04:21 PM
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Dear Doctor: Seriously? I thought it was a great episode and then they continue that senseless harping on the prime directive in a situation that doesn't make sense. Its a disease, genetic or not Phlox is a Doctor. It continues to propagate that naive attitude of how the Prime Directive should be applied. That it should be an excuse not to help rather than a way of protecting a culture.
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Also the Prime Directive doesn't exist yet. If you get passed the flawed science behind the premise, the episode "Dear Doctor" was actually decent. I walked away from this trying to figure out what I would have done if I was the captain and didn't have some prime directive handed to me to fall back on. For all the options Archer was given, all of them invariably meant one of these two races were going to suffer.
I always found "Dear Doctor" an enjoyable episode, although the ending is rather questionable. There is the question of whether or not Archer and Phlox committed genocide by withholding the cure to the Valakians "to allow the Menk to grow" - which is a whole other subject in and of itself. Phlox justifies his request to Archer by asking "what if a sufficiently advanced race gave the Neanderthals an advantage over Homo sapiens?" - although, despite Phlox's conclusions otherwise, no one ever asks whether the Menks are that world's equivilent of Neanderthals.

Another problem I have with the episode's conclusion is that it represents a missed opportunity, (one of many the series, really). We get a hint of it when Archer and T'Pol discuss the Valakians' request for the Enterprise crew to share warp technology with them. Archer points out that the Valakians "have no experience" with the technology, and he fears that humanity would have to stay behind to "guide" them - something, T'Pol points out, Vulcan has been doing on Earth since Cochrane's flight. A problematic situation, espeically since Enterprise is really the only Earth ship that can reach the Valakian homeworld in any decent amount of time. The same could have been done with the Valakians' disease - while Phlox could have found the cause, what the writers should have done was, instead of magically have him develop the cure, have him tell Archer that (a little more realistically), that developing a cure would take more work than he can accomplish with the equipment aboard, and even with a team of medical experts, it would still take years, possibly decades, to develop a cure - if there was one to be had. The discussion of the Menk's potential to grow would then have been discussed, with the suggestion that the Valakians work to have the Menk fend for themselves, just in case.

Ah, but hindsight is but 20/20.
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# 33
02-01-2012, 04:26 PM
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and the worst of all, there were no Cardassians
Eve more worse, not seeing the slaughter and enslavement of the Bajoran people.
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# 34
02-01-2012, 04:28 PM
There are three primary reasons why ENT is a bad TV Show.

The first is it violates the canon for the past 30 years. This isn't a bad thing by itself, but when you factor in the massive library of Trek Lore that people have been regurgitating over the past 40 years it does not help it's cause.

The second is the last episode. This is more of a TV issue than a Trek issue. When you go down the road of "it was only a dream" you upset a lot of viewers. Yes it was just one episode, but to treat any TV show that way is just disrespecting your audience.

The third reason is the big reason. ENT has a lousy Captain. Bakula was great in Quantum Leap but as a StarFleet Captain he is just a bad choice. If a person is going to play a Captain on Trek he/she needs three things as a actor. The first is stage presence. Bakula lacks this as an actor, none of his other TV roles have ever had much presence. Patrick Stewart commands the stage/screen. You can see it in every nuance, he is classically trained and it shows big time. Shatner commands the stage because his personality shines through every line, he is not 1/10th the actor Stewart is but he can hold his own against him on screen. Avery Brooks had an imposing demeanor just by his stature, which was evident on DS9 as well as Spenser for Hire. The third thing is the voice. A captain has to have "that" voice. Picard and Kirk are the perfect examples, Brooks as well. Bakula had none of this as Archer and it hurt the series, he was always wishy washy and down trodden in his decision making and while you can say it was the character because he was basically the first Trek Captain, he basically is the same type in every role.
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# 35
02-01-2012, 09:32 PM
That's it, I'm going to watch all 4 seasons of Enterprise back to back
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# 36
02-01-2012, 09:38 PM
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Eve more worse, not seeing the slaughter and enslavement of the Bajoran people.
Every good series needs a little slaughter and enslavement in it. Everybody knows that.
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# 37
02-01-2012, 09:39 PM
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That's it, I'm going to watch all 4 seasons of Enterprise back to back
Its better than watching Highlander 2 back to back.
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# 38
02-01-2012, 11:33 PM
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Its better than watching Highlander 2 back to back.
O.o it's that bad?
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# 39
02-02-2012, 06:35 AM
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O.o it's that bad?
If the ending of the first Highlander was any indication, there wasn't SUPPOSED to be a Highlander 2 - or a Highlander 3, or a Highlander: Endgame, or a Highlander TV series...but Highlander 2 was just a stinker from the standpoint that it implies the Immortals were actually aliens.
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# 40
02-02-2012, 07:00 AM
I love Enterprise, and I think Scott Bakula did a great job as the captain! But maybe I'm biased, it is afterall the show I watched every week with my father. Apart from the movies and the occasionnal TNG rerun, I only got to watch the other series recently (just finished DS9 and Voyager).

Something a lot of people don't remember : the first seasons of Voyager AND DS9 had some of the most awful episodes I've ever seen. They both get a lot better after, but even the worst episode of Enterprise cannot compare in mediocrity with them. Don't take it wrong, I love both series <3, but I think the overall quality of ENT was actually better.
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