Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Cryptic,

You are not doing Star Trek lore, Star Trek canon, the Star Trek community, and most importantly - CBS's licensing of Star Trek justice with a single change this latest patch. Besides, you broke the game.

You changed the shield consoles from and engineering slot to a science slot. Let me go into the various ways that it broke the game:

You now have a science console enhancing an Engineer's ability and responsibility. So if I have the change correctly, you have emergency power to shields being enhanced by a science slot? When did you ever hear Captain Kirk, or Admiral Kirk ask Spock to give more power to the shields? He always asked Scotty, with a prompt reply, " I'm giving her all she's got Cap'n." Spock was spending time sending out probes and figuring Out enemy shield frequencies and other ways to solve problems than trivial ENGINEERING problems. Scotty didn't have science terminals in engineering, he had engineering terminals that controlled the actions of the ship.

How does a science console otherwise tied up generating Tyken's Rifts, gravity wells, and tractor beams and the like tie into shielding as well? It simply does not make any sense whatsoever.

From reports in the forums, your own patch notes are incorrect on the working of the consoles. If people who have these consoles equipped want to keep them as an Engineering console, then they promptly get the console(s) removed for them at the completion of a mission. Then, they're FORCED to put them in a science console slot.

Therefore, deducted by the above reasoning and soon to be HUGE public outcry against this change, I am starting a petition. Please sign below, without breaking forum rules of course, if you agree with the above logic or would like to add your own. If you do not wish to sign, then please do not reply.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-02-2012, 09:15 AM
I guess you dont know but. EPTS was always modified by a science console.

Shield emitter array

Infact it modifies all shield powers.

The console that upsets people is a shield Capacity console. +35% that is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainGeko
No change in value was intended. If the shield hp console is not granting the same value as before, it's a bug that will be fixed. I promise. Please don't jump to conclusions and spread rumors.

It was changed from a shield hp buff to a shield skill buff simply to make it easier for everyone to compare the value and see its effect in your passives list. If the resulting value is not the same, there must have been an error in the conversion math.
Also last I heard petitions were not allowed.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
02-02-2012, 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduckie
I guess you dont know but. EPTS was always modified by a science console.

Shield emitter array

Infact it modifies all shield powers.

The console that upsets people is a shield Capacity console. +35% that is.



Also last I heard petitions were not allowed.
EPTS is activated by an Engineering Bridge Officer. When the consoles were in engineering console, it worked properly. Now everything is broken.

Otherwise, you might as well ask Lt. Uhura to divert power to shields...
Lt. Commander
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# 4
02-02-2012, 09:24 AM
Personally, I'm mystified as to the reasons for the change. I've seen various explanations and what have you, but still, I thought it was functioning just fine the way it had been.
Lt. Commander
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# 5
02-02-2012, 09:26 AM
The math error is a bug that they're fixing. It will probably be in tomorrow's patch. As for why it was changed from engineering to science, it seems they are listening to the community when they say that science console slots need to be more useful. Allowing the shield to go to science opens up another engineering slot for something else.
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# 6
02-02-2012, 09:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pardigm

You changed the shield consoles from and engineering slot to a science slot. Let me go into the various ways that it broke the game:

You now have a science console enhancing an Engineer's ability and responsibility. So if I have the change correctly, you have emergency power to shields being enhanced by a science slot?

Emergency Power to Shields http://www.stowiki.org/Ability:_Emer...wer_to_Shields

How does a science console otherwise tied up generating Tyken's Rifts, gravity wells, and tractor beams and the like tie into shielding as well? It simply does not make any sense whatsoever.

EPTS Modified by:
Skills
Starship Shield Emitters *science*
Starship Electro-Plasma System *engineering*


The console you are talking about is a field Generator which modifies the stat "starship shield systems*

One which has been under science for quite some time.

Also please explain how EPTS is broken? It still behaves the same way on my end.
Lt. Commander
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# 7
02-02-2012, 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pardigm
Therefore, deducted by the above reasoning and soon to be HUGE public outcry against this change, I am starting a petition. Please sign below, without breaking forum rules of course, if you agree with the above logic or would like to add your own. If you do not wish to sign, then please do not reply.
And give hull heals back to science!
Lt. Commander
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# 8
02-02-2012, 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by STF65
The math error is a bug that they're fixing. It will probably be in tomorrow's patch. As for why it was changed from engineering to science, it seems they are listening to the community when they say that science console slots need to be more useful. Allowing the shield to go to science opens up another engineering slot for something else.
That's fine, I could see a console to boost Aceton Field (and that ability) to be moved to a science officer and science console. Basic abilities of the ship simply do not belong in a science console or in a science officer's ability.

If you're going to attack guys, you don't ask your engineering teams to target the enemy and fire, why should a captain ask a science officer or an engineer to change stations to work through a science console to increase power to shields? Science officer and those consoles associated with those abilities are correct in buffing the sensors, or Area of Effect abilities.

Simply put:
You have Tactical Officers and consoles for weapon fire and inflicting direct damage
You have Engineer Officers and consoles to change power levels of systems and repair the ships hull and shields
You have Science Officers and consoles to scan space and manipulate space or otherwise interact with the deflector to channel energy through space-time and emit different energy beams (tractor, viral matrix, gravimetric particles, or photon particles)
Lt. Commander
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# 9
02-02-2012, 09:39 AM
There are a lot of arguments that can be made about the console change.

Canon, however, is not one of them. Pretty much the entire space equipment system is a significant departure from canon for gameplay purposes. This change doesn't make it any more or less so.




And honestly... I like my shield console where it was, but consider the existing console balance.

Why does just about everybody but science vessels (and even plenty of them) dump their universal consoles in science slots?
Why was the Bortas's console layout considered superior to the Odyssey's?
Why were people upset that the Galaxy-R got its extra console slot in science?
Why was the advanced escort considered generally inferior to the fleet escort before MVAM came out?
Why are there multiple feedback threads about science consoles sucking?

The answer to all these questions is, "Because science consoles suck."
Lt. Commander
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# 10
02-02-2012, 09:41 AM
I think what bothers ME the most about this unneeded and arbitrary change is that they came to us (in another thread) asking for feedback...and then promptly ignored said feedback.


It was a fiat accompli and they knew it. Annoying.
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