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# 11
02-09-2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kulzar View Post
Yesterday, 20000 dilithium was the equivalent price of a master key. No real money used! However, I suspect it may go higher when people will be selling their dilithium... starting today.

But I admit I'm still a little uncomfortable with the formula. Yes the master key is worth less than the actual content, but I've got no use for a second sehlat cub...
+10 dilithium per C-Point in the last 30 minutes.

Doubt it'll keep going like that. Once the initial day of hurrah and huzzah over it subsides. Plus people are dilithium speculating.
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# 12
02-09-2012, 12:51 PM
There's a lot of last minute speculation, it's true. It's a big weekend for Cryptic, the featured episodes alone will probably bring a lot of people that will buy dilithium with their c-points. It'll be interesting to see how it evolves!
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# 13
02-09-2012, 12:51 PM
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
- Kosh

Want it or not, it will happen. It is happening.
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# 14
02-09-2012, 01:28 PM
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Again it not gambling per se - because in Casino gambling you have the real chance of willing nothing. These boxes give you something 100% of the time - and (on paper) EVERY reward they give is of higher value (in the C-Store) then the 100 CP key. Ergo, technically , not real gambling.
No. you do not have to win or have a chance to win, nothing, in order for it to be gambling. its about the method used to get the prize not the prize itself

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Any time you play a game of chance, using real money (or things directly worth real money), it is gambling.
correct.

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Yesterday, 20000 dilithium was the equivalent price of a master key. No real money used! However, I suspect it may go higher when people will be selling their dilithium... starting today.
no real money? where do you think they get the keys from? cstore points. those points an intermediary of monetary value. no different than casino chips, in relation to this situation

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Then, by that logic, McDonalds is a gambling establishment because anytime you buy a happy meal for your child, it's gambling as you don't know what toy will come in the box (and a lot of folks DO collect these things.)
No. and actually you do know what toy will come with it if you ask.
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# 15
02-09-2012, 01:29 PM
For all intents & purposes, it's NOT gambling. As long as you can get the C-points needed to open up a lock box for free, it's not gambling. I don't know the drop rate for these, but assuming you can get one once a week by playing a few hours every day, if you can get enough dilithium to exchange for C-points to open one up every week, it's simply NOT GAMBLING.

You can CHOOSE to spend real money on the keys, but as long as the option is there to not have to, i.e. do a bit of "Explore new Worlds" or Academy Lore or whatnot, nothing is stopping anyone from simply exchanging the dilithium for C-points to open them up.

Therefore, F2P still stands. You can get the lock boxes opened for NO real world money.
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# 16
02-09-2012, 01:34 PM
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Then, by that logic, McDonalds is a gambling establishment because anytime you buy a happy meal for your child, it's gambling as you don't know what toy will come in the box (and a lot of folks DO collect these things.)

^^^
IE - at worst, the current Cryoptic grab bag setup is about as bad as this. Which is probably why the ATF isn't raiding their offices atm.
Yes, but I've never been to a fast food place where they wouldn't honor a request for a specific toy. If they didn't, then I suppose it would fit the criteria. If it were up to me, I'd simply have virtual currencies be worth real money, when they're sold for real money. The actual value would be irrelevant; if c-points are legally equivalent (in some capacity) to hard currency, then state gambling laws would apply.

And it's still gambling even if you get the points for free (via dilithium), because someone paid for those points. Though I would concede that using stipend points from an early-buyer LTS would not be gambling (since the free points were not originally stipulated as part of the deal).
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# 17
02-09-2012, 01:37 PM
At least these "Grab Bags" are not being sold its Only the key to open it. You dont have to you could just sell it and be done and everything that you can get can be sold/traded as well. A far cry better than what the prior bag was imho.
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# 18
02-09-2012, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SierraBishop
At least these "Grab Bags" are not being sold its Only the key to open it. You dont have to you could just sell it and be done and everything that you can get can be sold/traded as well. A far cry better than what the prior bag was imho.
The last boxes were drops / quest rewards as well, the only difference here is that we now buy a key instead of a box. Purchasing the box was optional last time.
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# 19
02-09-2012, 02:06 PM
It's not gambling when you don't have to buy the keys............. nobody is making anbody buy them, they are buying them themselves of their own free will
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# 20
02-09-2012, 02:08 PM
Seriously, the grab bags all suck.

At the very least, they could give gold accounts a few keys or something. I feel like i don't know what i'm paying for sometimes. Don't they want my subscription fee? I fear for STO on day's like this.

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