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Lt. Commander
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In a recent topic where I asked if KDF had an unfair advantage over FED and was promptly inundated by KDF fanbois talking tough. I came up with the following that will leave NO QUESTION about the capabilities of both Fed vs KDF and visa-versa.

This database chart can be sorted to compare Fed and KDF ship by Base Hull Points, Base Shield Strength and Base Turn Rate.

*** ALL SHIPS ARE NOT ADDED YET! ***
But its a good start...

Starblazers Ship Comparison Database -> http://sto.oldmmogamers.net/shipcompare.shtml

enjoy...
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-11-2012, 02:42 AM
I'm hopeless with things like this. Could you give a quick summary of your conclusions please.
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# 3
02-11-2012, 07:16 AM
you chart does not take into accout player skill or the fact that some kdf ships are broken. Also sometime i go to pvp areas with fed only using space bar to win and getting mad thay cant just press it to win.sometimes i get real pvpers and its a even fight to the death no matter what ship any of us is in.
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# 4
02-11-2012, 07:35 AM
His summary is that he believes that the KDF has a huge advanatge over the feds but can't seem to prove it.

Its not in the hull points difference as its not consistant across all types of KDF ships. Some KDF vessels have more hull than some fed counter parts at the same rank. Some do not and fall short.

Its not in the shield stats for KDF vessels as the same truth applies, some are are higher and some are not depending on class and rank.

Its not in the BOff assingment of KDF vessels as the majority of KDF stays true to thier Tactical mentality and Engineering skill while being weak in a science apsect.

Its not in the turn rate differences as only the Battle cruisers for the KDF have a higher turn rate than thier fed counter parts. Raptors are slightly slower turning than fed Escorts and the Federation Science vessels fall only a few points below the KDF support vessel in most cases.

Even the Devs have come out in the past and stated without reservation that the KDF is not over-powered in comparision to the federation. That both have strengths and weaknesses that lie in different areas.

SOme people just refuse to believe and will continue to make claims that the KDF is OP, even when all it sounds like it they got spanked and they don;t even play PvP;

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Starblazer View Post
You should practice what you preach as I don't PVP, I am totally PVE..

Unsubscribing this thread because people don't care to have a reasonable discussion.

Cheers
So it leads one to think that they believe the KDF is OP becuase the KDF has an easier time on average in the PvE enviroment of the game. Which is true. The KDF is easy to play in PvE due to thier heavy lean towards tactical BOff set-ups in an enviroment where killing NPCs fast is the easiest way to advance through a mission and is a parallel to why any Escort class vessel can easily blow through PvE missions
and give the same feeling of OP.

Nice chart though it proofs absolutely nothing. SO where's the proof?
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# 5
02-11-2012, 07:58 AM
Isnt it
B'rel Bird of Prey instead of B'Rek?
Negh'Var not Nefg'Var

also

D'Kyr

Sort by hull and shields for Interesting results
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# 6
02-11-2012, 08:02 AM
Do you have this in a comma delimited or excel format? I want to play around with a few graphs so we aren't looking at a wall of numbers.
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# 7
02-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danicema
you chart does not take into accout player skill or the fact that some kdf ships are broken. Also sometime i go to pvp areas with fed only using space bar to win and getting mad thay cant just press it to win.sometimes i get real pvpers and its a even fight to the death no matter what ship any of us is in.
If you care to even read you would see that the chart is only base skills with no personal skills added.

Roach, you don't even deserve a reply, you do how get to have fun on my ignore list....

And No I am not stating KDF are better or worse than FED.. I made the chart SO YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF. Tthats my 'summary'. The chart has helped ME determine that. I put it out to the community in hopes it would help someone else with the same. And I don't PVP so that doesnt even come into it.

I apologize for trying to help the community...
Nuff Said...
Lt. Commander
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# 8
02-11-2012, 01:52 PM
The crew value itself has no actual impact on the ship's performance and is misleading.
There are Klingon ships that have crew values twice that of their Federation counterparts but the percentage repair value shown when you hover the cursor ove the crew ingame is a determining factor.
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# 9
02-11-2012, 03:21 PM
In the past, KDF excelled in PvP because in the early days, one could only level by doing PvP and therefore have more experience and Pre-mades in PvP than the Feds.

Compound that now with P2W consoles like Vent Theta and Aceton Assimiltors as well as the new Syphon and Tachyon drones and the advantage becomes more apparent.

I don't like AMS anymore than the next person but in overall PvP balance, it doesn't even touch the afformentioned consoles.

Now that any ship can use any T4 and below console, it seems Fed Cruiser days are numbered.
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# 10
02-11-2012, 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Starblazer View Post
If you care to even read you would see that the chart is only base skills with no personal skills added.

Roach, you don't even deserve a reply, you do how get to have fun on my ignore list....

And No I am not stating KDF are better or worse than FED.. I made the chart SO YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF. Tthats my 'summary'. The chart has helped ME determine that. I put it out to the community in hopes it would help someone else with the same. And I don't PVP so that doesnt even come into it.

I apologize for trying to help the community...
Nuff Said...
You realize that there are more powers that affect shields than engineering? And that both are unequally affected by other stats?

There are a myriad of factors to take into account.
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