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So I'm leveling a Tactical alt character, and I'm having a lot of fun. I especially enjoyed using the regular Defiant through 30-40, it seemed like a very powerful and fast turning ship, and I enjoyed it.

I also love the idea of MVAM, seems like it'd be pretty great in PvE and PvP (mainly a PvE player, but I'm getting more into PvP), but of course by getting the Defiant refits, I'd have access to a Cloak and Quad Cannons (which sound great)

So, what is generally considered best? I searched around, but most posts seem to be from 2010 and a bit outdated.

Thanks!
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# 2
02-11-2012, 04:51 PM
Go for both. that is what I did on my tact.

( Disclaimer : I got both before all the changes for free to play, so I got the defiant refit for free and bought the MVAM. seeing that I just came back. I am not 100% sure but I am sure that you can only get them both in the C-store now. I could be wrong. someone please fix me if I am . )
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# 3
02-11-2012, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Zodi-emish
Go for both. that is what I did on my tact.

( Disclaimer : I got both before all the changes for free to play, so I got the defiant refit for free and bought the MVAM. seeing that I just came back. I am not 100% sure but I am sure that you can only get them both in the C-store now. I could be wrong. someone please fix me if I am . )
Which do you prefer/think is better?
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# 4
02-11-2012, 04:55 PM
MVAM seems to carry the consensus as being the better Escort. I personally will use the Sao Paulo class as it is more in line with my Bajoran Defense Force storyline that my alt follows. Actually the latest FE is doing wonders for my toon's story from a RP stance. She was a Bajoran child on DS9 when the Dominion took over the first time.
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# 5
02-11-2012, 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zodi-emish
Go for both. that is what I did on my tact.

( Disclaimer : I got both before all the changes for free to play, so I got the defiant refit for free and bought the MVAM. seeing that I just came back. I am not 100% sure but I am sure that you can only get them both in the C-store now. I could be wrong. someone please fix me if I am . )
I think you can still get the Defiant refit with your VA token from the 600 day vet reward.
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# 6
02-11-2012, 04:59 PM
MVAE is great. The Beta section out turns BoP and has a higher shield capacity. The Defiant is great, too. Decloak Alphas are brutal.

It's all about how you want to play; the Defiant can be a cloaked ninja or an all out assault platform. The MVAE still puts out very impressive DPS but is a bit more flexible.

Just as a heads up, though: You can stick the MVAE console into the 'normal' Advanced Escort and have it's BO loadout with the ability to separate into the various sections.

For PvP, stay away from the Quad Cannons; they basically just Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons with a [Dmg]x3 modifier on them (in addition to their visual).

[Dmg] is the worst modifier you can get. In order of best to worst, it goes: Acc, CrtH, CrtD, Dmg.
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# 7
02-11-2012, 05:03 PM
In means of BO slots, the MVAM has a LT Tactical compared to the Defiant's LTC Tactical. So you lose some powerful abilities right there. But with the MVAM you get a LTC Science slot instead. Which does help with survivability as well as some useful abilities that could aid you.

The Defiant has cloak so you can buy time for you to attack and get in close, while the MVAM has to come in fighting at 10km.

The Defiant has greater manuverability while the MVAM has the Combat Pets.


So if you want Powerful, go for the Defiant. If you want to last longer in battle, go MVAM.
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# 8
02-11-2012, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
Just as a heads up, though: You can stick the MVAE console into the 'normal' Advanced Escort and have it's BO loadout with the ability to separate into the various sections.
Are there any other positives or negatives by doing this?
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# 9
02-11-2012, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SYLiam View Post
Which do you prefer/think is better?
Okay this is an old opinion for I have not played my tact alt yet since coming back. So my opinion is about 4 months old.

But they are both strong ships. My Tac uses the MVAM more then the defiant. but each has their pluses and weaknesses.

I enjoy the Tactical Escort because it lets me go for all out fire power. I am a glass cannon, but I can normally out DPS anyone who gets in my way before they pop me. Honestly that is a GOOD THING for like PVP. You might be able to break their tank to defeat them. As for the cloak. It isn't that useful except for sneak attacks. You can sneak in close, but once you get into combat your kind of stuck with it. ( kind of. One tactic I have used in the past, more so in PVE, then PVP is to hit ramming speed but facing away. that normally gets me 10k away at least and then I fit full power to speed. so I can cloak and get out of a fight. it works for both PVP, and PVE. )

As for the MVAM escort. That one is a hard one to explain I guess. I find it all around fun to use. I say it is great in pve because each part of the ship has enough tank to survive, and they can take the heat off of me. which is nice because escorts are not meant to take a lot of damage. Also compared to the Tac escort it can heal a lot more. If I remember right I run science team 2 on my MVAM. ( I think I need to check that. ) but you get a lot more healing, and you can kind of be the space ship version of a combat medic in a way because you can heal your team mates. while zipping in and out ( not as fast as the tac escort ) and still dishing out a lot of damage.

It is honestly hard for me to pick which one I like more, but I would say the MVAM Escort is my personal favorite. given that it still has great fire power, and it is healing. but both are amazing ships.

If I were you I would read up on both of their wiki pages and look at all the stats, and abilites of them. also look at the ship section of the forums to get an idea for the builds.

MVAE Escort. Tac Escort Retrofit

I hope this helps, and also remember. my opinion is based on the game from two months ago. who knows. I might log my alt and learn that my escort shoots rainbows and totally blows now lol. doubt it.
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# 10
02-11-2012, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SYLiam View Post
Are there any other positives or negatives by doing this?
Depends on your build/playstyle.

For example, if you go with an all Cannon build, you'll be wasting an Ens Tac slot on your Defiant and MVAE. But if you stick that console into the Advanced Escort, you won't be wasting any BO slots while still retaining the separation. You do lose the LtC Sci though (but keep an LtC Tac in return).

One of the best MVAM pilots I know uses the console in an Advanced Escort.
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