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# 151
02-15-2012, 06:11 AM
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Why? From a Klingon PoV I can easily see the interogating warrior having no pity for a cowardly act of not dying rather than give up the codes.
Heck, I personally would not have even considered destroying his ship and crew afterwards had the Captain given his life to protect the federation shipyards, as such would be seen as a honorable sacrifice to save the warriors below him in command and the honor of his faction.
But no, he crumbles like dead dried up gagh and deserves the dishonor that comes from such cowardly actions.
And yet all of the races who surrendered rather than die in battle like warriors are allowed to roam freely in the first city and captain starships in the KDF.
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# 152
02-15-2012, 07:46 AM
Quite time consuming reading all posts in a 16 page thread, but proudly made it

Regarding the Klingon/Federation War. It made sense in regards to the undine infiltration. But everyone who played all missions involving that topic should be aware that bouth sides to their great shame got shapeshifted AGAIN. Seriously, everbody contributing to the war at this point is happily embracing his/hers Undine/Iconian Overlords and enjoys being their puppet.

I do think it is absolutly possible to keep PvP AND beat some sense towards the storyline progression with a few tweaks in form of changing mission names & descriptions. Instead of "Go to warzone XY and kill 20 of the opposing fraction" it would be "Go to zone XY and defeat 20 of our new allys in combat training". The detail description of such missions also would show that the combat is not to kill the other off but to keep each others skills sharp for upcoming and ongoing other conflicts. Since missions involving the war besides PvP dailys plays before the complete Undine uncovering they doesn't have to be changed. The replay afaik counts as Holodeck creation anyway.

And if cryptic wants to shine, they make a few missions or even an FS wich is about the end of this war.

In the end all are happy. We have some sense in the story again and the PvP did not get hurt either.
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# 153
02-15-2012, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackV7
Actually its because Hollywood is stationed there :p

Almost every movie, TV series, and serial is a California production via Hollywood.
You clearly have no knowledge of what CA is like if you equate San Francisco with Hollywood.

California is huge and extremely regionalized. Sacramento has more in common with Dallas than it does with San Francisco. San Francisco has more in common with Amsterdam than it does with Hollywood. Hollywood has more in common with Las Vegas than it does with LA.

The people who live and work in Hollywood might as well be in another state or country compared to San Francisco, because of cultural differences and physical barriers to access (traffic and housing). San Francisco itself is basically its own world and totally discrete from the rest of the state.

And by corollary, people in Hollywood have no real shared identity with people in San Francisco.

I mean, by your logic...then why would the Federation be headquartered in Paris and not in, say, LA or Phoenix or Seattle? Or even SF itself?
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# 154
02-15-2012, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by USS_Ultimatum
And yet all of the races who surrendered rather than die in battle like warriors are allowed to roam freely in the first city and captain starships in the KDF.
Awe, Did you forget that its still a MMO and players who like the Orions (not a conquered race btw- but an ally by choice) will want to play one and needed a place to do it.. Not to mention the Gorn ( a conquered race treated with rights more than slaves but still less than citizens ie: jeghpu'wI') and Nuasicans (also jeghpu'wI') which are two races that many wanted to play.
The KDF has conquered many races and allowed them a status higher than slave but less than full citizen in the Empire, unlike that coward federation Officer who caved like ferengi on bargain day and died as he deserved for his cowardice.
If the Devs wish to further divide the Orions, Gorn and Nuasies into their own factions to retain your sense of smuggness- fine by me.

< insert condescencing winky here>
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# 155
02-15-2012, 09:29 AM
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Awe, Did you forget that its still a MMO and players who like the Orions (not a conquered race btw- but an ally by choice)< insert condescencing winky here>
Soon to be your overlords, TBQH. They sent 1500 woman to serve the great houses and flaunt their pheromones, bringing the men under their spell and handling control of the Empire over to Melani De'lin.

Because that's what Orions do, play mind games and lure you into the sack.... where they chloroform you and steal a Kidney... or an Empire.
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# 156
02-15-2012, 09:32 AM
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Gorn ( a conquered race treated with rights more than slaves but still less than citizens ie: jeghpu'wI') and Nuasicans (also jeghpu'wI')
Actually the gorn have more rights then jeghpu'wI' and are basically a semiautonomus vassel due to the agreement between J'mpok and their ruler, and the Nuasicans are merks who the klingons would just have to pay to get the loyalty of anyway.
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# 157
02-15-2012, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprint01
Soon to be your overlords, TBQH. They sent 1500 woman to serve the great houses and flaunt their pheromones, bringing the men under their spell and handling control of the Empire over to Melani De'lin.

Because that's what Orions do, play mind games and lure you into the sack.... where they chloroform you and steal a Kidney... or an Empire.
It's been somewhat established in soft canon that the real brains behind the Orion syndicates are the women. The 'wild savage animal woman' is a clever smokescreen. Though I do wonder if Orion slave men have the same prowess. Hey, equal opportunity infiltration and subversion!

It's a good question as to if Orion pheremones affect Klingons. If so, man, the Klingons are in for a hell of a ride!
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# 158
02-15-2012, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by V-Mink
It's been somewhat established in soft canon that the real brains behind the Orion syndicates are the women. The 'wild savage animal woman' is a clever smokescreen. Though I do wonder if Orion slave men have the same prowess. Hey, equal opportunity infiltration and subversion!

It's a good question as to if Orion pheremones affect Klingons. If so, man, the Klingons are in for a hell of a ride!
It's not soft canon, it's hard canon. Enterprise finally revealed that the women are in fact the dominate sex of the species- using their pheromones control males across the quadrant. They sell themselves as slaves in order to infiltrate their targets.
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# 159
02-15-2012, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprint01
Soon to be your overlords, TBQH. They sent 1500 woman to serve the great houses and flaunt their pheromones, bringing the men under their spell and handling control of the Empire over to Melani De'lin.

Because that's what Orions do, play mind games and lure you into the sack.... where they chloroform you and steal a Kidney... or an Empire.
[roleplay hat]
Krenn: Or in the case of my operations officer get some idiot earther captain drunk on Drozna with promisies of sleeping with him, and then proceed to get him to give up important information like his ship's prefix code. That fool probably never realised why his shields went down right before I shredded his ship with disruptor blasts.

That reminds me, note to self promote Narrie for going above and beyond the call of duty for the Empire.
[/roleplay hat]
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# 160
02-15-2012, 10:02 AM
Some of the distinction between the Klingon attitudes between personal surrender (or death) and the conquest of an entire people is that the latter is a lot harder, so as a purely practical matter, they're willing to accept domination in lieu of genocide. (Also, it gets them vassals!)

Yes, it's a compromise and an excuse. You know who don't deal in either? The Borg. It's the difference between an aggressive, expansionist empire and an all-consuming horde of locusts. You can negotiate, make treaties and co-exist with the former; not so much the latter.

Finally, remember this - as Worf's interactions with the Empire often demonstrated, actual Klingons talk a lot about honor but are spotty about actually adhering to it, unless it benefits them. Worf, an outsider raised on the ideals and myths, bought into them and tends to be more genuinely upset about breaches of the code.
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