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# 1 Single Nacelle Starships
02-12-2012, 02:14 PM
To get away from this "DOOM AND GLOOM" atmosphere or boxes and FE's and crashing.

Who else is with me that this game needs some single nacelle starships (not the abomination that is the kelvin) but the USS Eagle and Saladin.

Why cant we have more tos era ships such as the Federation class three nacelle constitution.

Or the double hulled excelsior variant.

I would also think that cryptic need to rethink starships in their current incarnation, although there are lots of cool ships floating around

once you hit end game you normlaly just see a few types.
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# 2
02-12-2012, 02:44 PM
I think it would be interesting to see some new ship designs myself. I'm not so sure I'd be up for single nacelle designs or TOS designed ships. What I'd really like to see is the federation break away from the current design patterns that many of the ships have, as I honestly find the general design to be rather ugly, and of all the ships in the whole of Star Trek, I'd rather have a Romulan Warbird, or a klingon vessel as they are more interesting designs.

One idea I might like to see is a cylindrical or otherwise oblong structure, perhaps with fold out nacelle pylons towards the rear, much like the design of a modern rocket, or possibly with a body more like a submarine. Depending on the design, this could have several applications, like another variant on the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort, the ability to split into multiple smaller ships. Or if Cryptic wanted to do something different, side mounted torpedo tubes for broadside bombardment of a target.
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# 3
02-12-2012, 02:45 PM
When Gene created this wonderful universe he set up some rules. And one of them was all ships had to have an even number of nacelles. CBS has STO following these rules to the letter with the only exception being the questionably canon Dreadnaught. Remember that the Kelvin is the property of Paramount, not CBS. And while there have been a few kit-bashes, that had one nacelle, they we always used as battle debris (and most after Gene's death).

I'm afraid you will have to convince CBS to allow those type of ships, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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# 4
02-12-2012, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Commadore_Bob
When Gene created this wonderful universe he set up some rules. And one of them was all ships had to have an even number of nacelles. CBS has STO following these rules to the letter with the only exception being the questionably canon Dreadnaught. Remember that the Kelvin is the property of Paramount, not CBS. And while there have been a few kit-bashes, that had one nacelle, they we always used as battle debris (and most after Gene's death).

I'm afraid you will have to convince CBS to allow those type of ships, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Eh... Those rules got beaten with a dead horse earlier. :p
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# 5
02-12-2012, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Chat
Eh... Those rules got beaten with a dead horse earlier. :p
There you go. But I'll be generous and say Gene's rules only apply to Fed ships as the Klingon BoP violates the rules in spades.
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# 6
02-12-2012, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Commadore_Bob
CBS has STO following these rules to the letter with the only exception being the questionably canon Dreadnaught.

Technically, the Galaxy's nacelles were considered as two nacelles in one unit. The Dreadnaught is considered to have 6 nacelles in 3 units. That's why it gets the exception.
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# 7
02-12-2012, 02:54 PM
Honestly I hope they don't add the Federation class. Not that I hate the design but it's way past any time frame when it should still be in service. If any were still in service it might be one or very limited number such as a trainer or something but as a playable ship I hope not. Sure the Constitution is in game and though I love the ship it really shouldn't be either. Like the Connie the Federation is far out of date, in the Connie's case though it's a "historic" both in the game universe and in Trek history so an exception was made for fun and game play purposes.


I really think the Excelsior is about the farthest back the ships should go as it was kinda a workhorse as far as ships go and seemed to be alot of them around. Maybe the Miranda too, maybe past it's prime but they seemed to have stuck around as well. As for single nacelled ships, I myself have never been terribly fond of them but I wouldn't be against some of the TNG era one's or newer as they at least fit the time frame...though I probably wont be flying them.
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# 8
02-12-2012, 02:54 PM
Good thing he's passed away and has no direct control over the IP anymore. Frankly, all Cryptic needs to say are the phrases "lock box" and "money" and CBS will jump right on board. CBS doesn't care about these arcane rules if it furthers the IP and/or (more importantly) their profits.

Besides their "engines in pairs" rule is ridiculous when given the explanation:

Quote:
Rule #1 Warp nacelles *must* be in pairs.
"The 'All Good Things' Enterprise is explained not to violate these because it has two warp field coils in each nacelle, thus creating three pairs. The Franz Joseph Designs single-nacelle ships are not official canon..."
So a 3-nacelle ship is okay because we can pretend that each nacelle has 2 warp fields in it, but a one-nacelle snip is not allowed the same capability?
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# 9
02-12-2012, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Commadore_Bob
There you go. But I'll be generous and say Gene's rules only apply to Fed ships as the Klingon BoP violates the rules in spades.
That thread evolved beyond just being about the Borta.

Example.
Another one. <-This be interesting.

It's all very messy in short.
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# 10
02-12-2012, 02:57 PM
Actually part of the rules was that you could have multiple nacelles like 4 and 5, but you got diminishing returns above 2. Adding a third nacelle gives you 1/3rd more performance over the 2 nacelle design.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nacelle
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