Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 21
02-15-2012, 06:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardassianNinja View Post
I'm watching this on fx.

I was wondering why uhura and the rest of the starfleet cadets would happen to be in Iowa. And why the enterprise just happened to be being built in Iowa. And why the shuttle for new recruits would be lifting off from Iowa. What's so special about iowa? And were uhura and the rest of the red-uniformed cadets already a year into the academy? They were already dressed in uniforms. So, if the shuttle is for new recruits, why were they already dressed but Kirk and bones weren't? At first I thought uhura and the other red shirts were already a year in, and Kirk graduated in years, hence everyone graduating at the same time. But this doesn't explain bones in 3 years. Was this all for plot convenience?
Iowa was the site Abrams decided to use for Starfleet's shipyard. This was for the convenience of having it also be where Kirk grew up.

To deal with the cadet vs. new recruit thing ... you have a series of cadets already in school (Uhura, the security doods that beat the stuffing out of Kirk) who are down at the shipyard, accompanying Pike. This isn't because they are new recruits. This is because they are probably visiting the shipyard on some sort of field trip or on Pike's orders. And this is probably because the new flagship is being built right there.

Fast forward, as the movie did, to their graduation at around the same time ... Bones graduating quickly or early probably has something to do with his age and medical experience giving him a leg up. Uhura graduating probably right on time at the top of her class. The security guy may have already been graduated earlier. Kirk graduating early because ... 1- He said he would. 2- He's Kirk.

I didn't really see any conflict with the way it was presented in the film. I guess I should simply wait for Red Letter Media to pick it apart, he's way better at that than I will ever be.

Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 22
02-15-2012, 06:27 AM
1. The chasm in Iowa was a quarry, there was a sign at the fence
2. Enterprise-D was built planetside, although on Mars. Considering the amount of power availble from a Warp engine, and imulse drive, being built planetside makes things alot easier than building things in Space.
3. The rest of my points were beaten to by Superchum
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 23
02-15-2012, 06:27 AM
i know there r some folks who actually happen to like the jj-film.

i dislike it. it's unpalatable, and unlike data, i do NOT want more :p
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 24
02-15-2012, 06:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuroraMoon
that aside, I thought everyone else acted their parts perfectly, it was more or less close to the original characters.
Every time I see it, I find Bones to be more and more awesome.

Quote:
I just thought they overdid the tragedy. It's not enough that spock's planet blew up, he lost his friggin' mom?? He was never that close with his father, so now he's basically alone if that whole thing with Uhura doesn't work out at all. They should had let his mom live, maybe have Kirk save her somehow... this would certainly help smooth over things with Spock and their working relationship later on.
I think it was them really over-doing it to Spock just to force Spock to logically accept Kirk's friendship. As you point out, he's got very few places to turn at the end of the movie and his older out of time self keeps harping on how important Kirk is. So he kind of has to turn to Kirk at that point?

Quote:
And he won't be magically be BFFs with Jim Kirk thanks to the fact that they got off to a super rocky start. that life-altering friendship of theirs will take forever to form, if at all.
He kind of has to be BFFs with Kirk as the plot trapped them together. As you point out, he's got no one else left, heh.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 25
02-15-2012, 07:00 AM
Yeah but Kirk wouldn't feel trapped unlike spock. He just basically became the hero of starfleet, and I think he would feel pretty uncomfortable around spock at first. after all, spock did try to get him expelled from starfleet, and then tried to kill him when he provked spock.

For this reason I think thiers would be a pretty cold proffesional relationship at first. They won't instantly warm up to each other.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 26
02-15-2012, 07:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAPTWinters
2. Enterprise-D was built planetside, although on Mars. Considering the amount of power availble from a Warp engine, and imulse drive, being built planetside makes things alot easier than building things in Space.
Appearently they only build parts of the ships on the ground

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...a_Planitia.jpg

which are then put together in space

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...FleetYards.jpg

also Mars has only 0.377 of Earth's gravity making it easier to get stuff into orbit.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 27
02-15-2012, 07:25 AM
They movie came out 3 years ago. Why are people still complaining about it? I get that you don't like it, but come on its been 3 years and all your doing is repeating the same thing over and over again. Is this really necessary? Especiallly on a forum for a game that USES stuff from this film.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 28
02-15-2012, 07:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuroraMoon
Yeah but Kirk wouldn't feel trapped unlike spock. He just basically became the hero of starfleet, and I think he would feel pretty uncomfortable around spock at first. after all, spock did try to get him expelled from starfleet, and then tried to kill him when he provked spock.

For this reason I think thiers would be a pretty cold proffesional relationship at first. They won't instantly warm up to each other.
Kirk seemed to warm up to him at the very end there. Which felt like, thematically, the point of the film. It was all build up to that very last scene where we got the crew we all remember all together at once. You'll note it's the only time in the film that Kirk is in full uniform, yellow shirt intact, and sitting comfortably in the chair. Visually it seemed to bring the entirety of Star Trek together, like, "Hey, here's Uhura, Bones, Scotty, Chekov, Sulu Kirk and Spock, TOGETHER, for the first time! Let's Boldly GO!"

Considering how much "plot convenience" took place that you've already pointed out, I'd venture to say that the plot conveniently moves forward with Kirk and Spock being friends or friendly, but still playing off of that Kirk-Gut-Level-Intuition-Emotional thing and Spock playing that Logic thing. That's the trope they're building off of. It won't be End of Wrath of Khan level closeness where Spock sacrifices himself for Scotty and Bones because of his friendship for Jim and Kirk won't be all "He was the most, DOT, DOT, DOT, HUMAN!" eulogy.

But it'll be that season one TOS familiarity, I'd say. Since that seemed to be one of the primary themes of the film outside of lensflares.



BTW, I loved the JJ-Trek movie. And want to see the story continue. But I'm just glad to have the original Kirk-Spock dynamic back.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 29
02-15-2012, 07:33 AM
I could about live with the changes to the timeline, even though I don't consider some of the changes particularly plausible, such as Chekov's parents concieving little Pavel 4 yeras earler, and official the size chart that came out which more than doubled the length of the Enterprise, seemingly purely to have it look less pitiful next to a Star Destroyer. I like to assume that size chart doesn't exist most of the time.

But Kirk from Cadet to Captain... Okay, I know effectively the same thing happens to all of our characters in STO, but we accept that (or at least I do) as a method of selling games. Here it doesn't make any sense. Had Kirk been listened to immediately after the destruction of Vulcan, he'd have led the entire crew to a pointless death. It wasn't until he met Scotty, future Spock and his magic transporter formula that getting aboard the Narada became possible. He has no experience and most of the Enterprise crew don't even like him that much.

Plus it meant taking Pike, who was probably the best character in the movie, has effectively been taken out of any sort of main role in the next movie.

If they had been clever, they could have ended this one with Pike still in command and Kirk and Spock as his executive officer and science officer. Then, part of the plot of the next movie could be Pike a few years up the road, with an Admiral's promotion on his desk, deciding whether Kirk or Spock gets the Enterprise once he accepts his promotion, with Kirk eventually proving that he's the better man for the job.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 30
02-15-2012, 07:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cryptiecop
I was born and raised in Iowa...I just don't ever remember any canyons to drive Corvettes off of...LOL
"Iowa" was the entirety of the US by that point, obviously.
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:29 AM.