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# 21
02-21-2012, 02:40 AM
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Have we ever heard the K't'inga being referred to by name in any of the series or films? If not, for all we know, the D7 and K't'inga *are* the same ship (the EU and other supplementary materials are considered "soft cannon" at best - meaning they are subject to change at a writer's whim). The only real difference between the two is extra detailing on the K't'inga.
Have you ever heard of the Cheyenne class in any of the series?
No?
But it's still in the game.

There's also the detail that Mike Sussman explicitly said that f he had known the SFX guys of Voyager would use the K't'inga model he'd have replaced D7 with K't'inga.

And I honestly hope you're joking that the only difference between the D7 and the K't'inga is "extra detail" because the shapes of the two ships are actually not the same.
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# 22
02-21-2012, 03:59 AM
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Have you ever heard of the Cheyenne class in any of the series?
No?
But it's still in the game.

There's also the detail that Mike Sussman explicitly said that f he had known the SFX guys of Voyager would use the K't'inga model he'd have replaced D7 with K't'inga.

And I honestly hope you're joking that the only difference between the D7 and the K't'inga is "extra detail" because the shapes of the two ships are actually not the same.
Indeed, if you swap between K'tinga and D7 hulls there are differences, not large ones, but as significant as the difference between TOS Connie and Film Connie for example. And let's not forget all the Miranda variants we've seen, but one crazy dish mounting on top instead of the roll bar and it's a Soyuz for some reason.
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# 23
02-21-2012, 04:09 AM
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Indeed, if you swap between K'tinga and D7 hulls there are differences, not large ones, but as significant as the difference between TOS Connie and Film Connie for example.
And also we've seen a modern effects D7 in the DS9 Tribble episode and they didn't just reuse a K't'inga, instead they carefull reconstructed...the D7 from TOS.

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And let's not forget all the Miranda variants we've seen, but one crazy dish mounting on top instead of the roll bar and it's a Soyuz for some reason.
Not quite.
The model with the dishes (no pun intended) was the Saratoga

http://www.starshipdatalink.net/starships/miranda.html

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._2367_fore.jpg

while the one with the big sensor arrays (I still don't get why people think those are some kind of Star Wars Turbo Lazzer Gunz, probably read that on DITL in the no-canon section) was the Soyuz, that also had a TOS Connie style bridge module and an extended rear hull.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...man%2C_aft.jpg
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# 24
02-21-2012, 04:35 AM
I'm all for it, as long as its a warship designed to be a warship and not nerfed at the last minute because the feds feel its too strong.........
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# 25
02-21-2012, 07:59 AM
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I'm all for it, as long as its a warship designed to be a warship and not nerfed at the last minute because the feds feel its too strong.........
I say that the retrofit of K'tinga come with a weapon console that give a similar weapon attack as the Galaxy-X dreadnought's spinal phaser lance. In DS9 battle scenes you often see the K'tinga firing a disruptor beam from where its torpedo port should be. This is also usable on battle cruisers. So you can also use it on Vor'cha that also have a 'large drisruptor' at its bow. Same for Negh'Var (though its most powerful disruptor *duo* are underside for the flagship in the DS9, some versions of the ship has a weapon port at the bow?)
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# 26
02-21-2012, 08:23 AM
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I say that the retrofit of K'tinga come with a weapon console that give a similar weapon attack as the Galaxy-X dreadnought's spinal phaser lance. In DS9 battle scenes you often see the K'tinga firing a disruptor beam from where its torpedo port should be. This is also usable on battle cruisers. So you can also use it on Vor'cha that also have a 'large drisruptor' at its bow. Same for Negh'Var (though its most powerful disruptor *duo* are underside for the flagship in the DS9, some versions of the ship has a weapon port at the bow?)
The red mystery beam they never explained.
Yeah that's an odd one.
Either they thought it meant something or the FX guys just messed it up because they were moving towards the "every ship fires all its weapons from the forward point fo the ship" concept that seemed to dominate the later seasons of DS9.
Anyway it's a good question what exactly that thing is but IMO it's a disruptor.

Red Mystery Beam on K't'inga:
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...rrior2_578.jpg

Red Disruptor Beam in Star Trek VI:
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4...0318h38m40.png
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4...0318h38m46.png

Red Disruptor Beam in DS9 "Honor Among Thieves":
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...hieves_300.jpg

But perhaps it would be an interesting addition if the T5 K't'ing came with its own unique weapon that can be either slotted or removed based on your personal preference like the Quads or the Bioneural Torp.

The forward gun on the Vor'cha was a bit ambigious in its own way as it could one-shot a K'vort without shields in TNG "Redemption" where it was a blue blob

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...tor_cannon.jpg

while on DS9 it was sometimes rather unimpressive (and seemingly the only weapon the 480 meter warship had).

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._disruptor.jpg

On the Negh'var it's a good question what that was, it could have been a pair of mighty torpedoes
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...Var_attack.jpg
or really big disruptor pulses, even though the effect looked different from the pulses the BoPs fired in "Way of the Warrior" while the mobile starbase mega Negh'var from "Shattered Mirror" fired (again rather unimpressive) beams from those points.
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# 27
02-21-2012, 08:34 AM
In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

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# 28
02-21-2012, 08:40 AM
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A T5 "K't'inga" doesn't need to be a K't'inga retrofit per se - remember the K't'inga is a late-23rd century ship whose hull is nearly identical to the earlier D-4 and D-7 classes. Clearly the Klingons have some emotional attachment to that design...

Call it a Koro't'inga retrofit perhaps, but it's not inherently any more odd than the Defiant or Intrepid retrofits on the Fed side.
I have to say that I believe this is a solution that could be used to get around the T-5 K'Tinga AND T-5 Connie issue.

And you don't have to make them fight the role of a cruiser, either.

I for one would love to have a T-5 ship with a modern look / style of a K'Tinga and have THAT ship be a replacement for my current T-5 raptor.

I'd LOVE that.

Same for the Connie end ... I'd be happy with a new escort over there that has the feel of the modern look / style of the ole Constitution ... which is why I feel they messed up with the Exeter and hoping they don't make that mistake again on our KDF side.
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# 29
02-21-2012, 08:52 AM
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In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

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The disruptor "lance" or "bow cannon" doesn't have to be red. But I see having the Ktinga variant be T4 make sense in order to allow this disruptor weapon be usable by other battle cruisers.
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# 30
02-21-2012, 09:04 AM
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In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

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Why does it have to be T4?
Some T4 ships have special consoles while some have unque weapons, same at T3.
I believe it's not impossible for a T5 ship to have a special weapon, one of them just has to be the first.
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